ASA Getting 8 CRJ700, and Keeping 8 Additional

[sweptback]

We took not one single aircraft from ASA, nor one single aircraft that ASA could have gotten anyways.

You mean except for the aircraft that were transferred to Comair from ASA to meet the requirements of the pay freeze LOA you guys overwhelmingly approved.

 

[Blucher]

Bvt,

Yes, my feelings were hurt, as should all regional pilot's feelings been hurt. ASA and Comair dropped the ball in such a stunningly huge way that managements for years to come will be chuckling about it. How could 2 regional carriers flying the same equipment, owned by the same parent company, flying basically the same routes and part of the same "union" have screwed up so bad as to not stick together? It's truly sad, and I really do wish we had merged when we had the opportunity. Perhaps we will have learned from that and might someday work out something with our new kissin'-cousins over at Skywest. Time will tell.
Also, you might want to check your facts. ASA is currently negotiating. I believe the next sessions are scheduled for early Jan in CHS.
Do you really think that our management doesn't use your concessions (twice) as an example at our bargaining table?
If it makes you feel any better, I promise I will not fly any of those former Comair 700's.

-Blucher

 

[~~~^~~~]

BVT - Apparently you don't read much. ASA is a smaller airline than it was two years ago and is scheduled to get even smaller this year. Our ATR's are going away in 07 - that puts us at a loss of 5 airplanes in 07. (even with the Comair aircraft which might not happen - this transfer is management BS and often things that don't make sense, don't end up happening. They want a carrot to dangle for the ASA and Comair guys to fight over. In the mean time NWA has made a bid for Mesaba which will make Comair look better in this "monkey see, monkey do" world of Harvard jackarse airline management)

ASA's seniority list is down around 17% from where it was and we are not hiring to even cover the attrition right now.

If it makes you feel better to be angry at ASA pilots (instead of Delta's Management, all those guys wearing US Air style Uniforms under Chatauqua hats in CVG, or ALPA) go right ahead. Maybe you can sign some huge concessionary contract and get some airplanes - won't you be a happy boy then?

In the mean time, ASA will not cave. We have lost airplanes and not caved. You can accept the support we try to provide, or not. Either way, ASA's MEC has proven steadfast. But as long as you blame us and we get indignant about it the Harvard jackasses are winning.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

ASA's seniority list is down around 17% from where it was and we are not hiring to even cover the attrition right now.

Pretty sure we are hiring to cover attrition, plus the growth. 40 pilots per month, with the first large class Dec 27. Two smaller classes have already started, to begin IOE in January/February.

 

[79%N1]

When will there be some damn upgrades for attrition????? Even the last prelim, almost all the awards were just Captains moving around seats.

 

[Morning Wood]

What ASA is doing is bargaining for a contract that doesn't sellout its SKYW or Comair brothers and sisters.

You listen to too many flamers on this board. The majority of ASA pilots don't want to grow at anyone else's expense. We are PROVING that by not bending over for growth.

ASA pilots are bargaining (or should be) for what is best for ASA pilots. I hardly think United's pilots (or Delta, or Northwest or anyone else) cares about anything but negotiating for their self preservation.

 

[crjskipper]

blucher - how are you not going to fly the comair 700s?

did you refuse to fly the 100s during the strike?

if you refuse - pretty sure you will get fired

 

[49W]

blucher - how are you not going to fly the comair 700s?

did you refuse to fly the 100s during the strike?

if you refuse - pretty sure you will get fired

Easy, just don't bid the 700.

 

[Blucher]

49W hit the nail on the head, that is one easy way to do it. And in answer to your question CRJSkipper, no, I did not fly any of the Comair 100's either. Also, it would seem to me that as long as you have a valid reason for refusing an aircraft, as a captain, that is your prerogative, hence the 4th stripe.

-Blucher

 

[say again]

Things just don't seem to be getting any better then when I left years ago!! Good luck to all you guys. Everyone deserves so much better and i hope one day it happens. I miss my airline days, but cant seem to convince myself to come back yet.

 

[goahead]

Actually according to our union we are hiring 180 folks by March 07

 

[Speedtape]

All,

Just for the record, no airplanes have been transferred from Comair, yet! And, there is a good chance that none will be if a consensual agreement is reached the last week of January. So--hold the venom and spit until you see the planes on the ramp!

You guys are doing exactly what these mgmt. tools want you to do--fight like cats in a barrel! Stop it! These different airline mgmt. groups are all working in concert to drive costs down that affects us all. They are playing the game better than we are. The tide has to change but spewing venom at each other is counterproductive!

The best course of action at this point is to support the Comair pilots in whatever decision and actions they take in the coming weeks. Their fate is our fate! It's time to turn the tide on the opportunists mgmt. pukes that would take your last dime--just for the fun of it!

 

[ASADriver]

All,

Just for the record, no airplanes have been transferred from Comair, yet! And, there is a good chance that none will be if a consensual agreement is reached the last week of January. So--hold the venom and spit until you see the planes on the ramp!

Just for the record, the first two are supposed to go into service in mid Jan. out of CVG. The last week of Jan. will be a little late. I think they are coming here.

 

[Papa Woody]

When will there be some dang upgrades for attrition????? Even the last prelim, almost all the awards were just Captains moving around seats.

That is correct....ASA is shrinking, and only hiring to cover the overwhelming rate of F/O attrition, which is exceeding management's planned shrinkage rate.

The "16 new airplanes in 2007" spin by management is an evil distortion of the truth. By exploiting the Stockholm Syndrome, they expect the stupid pilots to giggle with glee as we continue the plunge. It is a tactic aimed only at saving the huge cost of training, since pilots are leaving in record numbers.

Captain attrition is much lower, and there have been NO "new" captain upgrades in over a year. That rate of attrition matches the planned shrinkage of the airline.

The truth is ASA will lose 5-8 airplanes in 2007, yet still needs new F/O's to cover attrition.

I don't believe there will be any new captain awards in 2007, as 4 net gain CR700's, even if we do get them, will easily be covered by the displaced SLC crews.

 

[79%N1]

Exactly my belief....and fear. While they make this announcement like some glimmer of great news, ASA will see no upgrades whatsoever last year or next, while Skywest will probably have 200-300 or maybe more!