ASA and Greencards

[Victor Meldrew]

Do you really think that is why "a lot of countries" don't recongnise the FAA license? Come on now. SO tell us then, why is it to so many pilot's come over here to do their simulator training? And why would they if their country wouldn't recognise it?

Because the sim rates are far cheaper, lodging also BUT they are tested to their contries standards with appointed examiners not with FAA examiners. I did DC8 sim in the US for exactly those reasons even though our approved sim course was 6 seasons more than the ones offered for the US rating.

I am not necessarily saying the US system is inferior, but overseas requirements are more intense and cover a lot more material.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

yes I know, I used to teach JAA clients at a part 142 training center. SO I know JAA training rules quite well. What makes JAA a pain isnt the level of instruction, it's the paper work. Trust me, I no longer complain about the FAA processes.

 

[pipejockey]

Dude there are american's all over the world. Getting hired all over the world
flying in China, Japan, even russia.

There are not enough qualified pilots in those countries to meet demand. If there were furloughed Chinese, Russian, Japanese pilots in their own countries, they wouldn't be hiring us.

Worried about the Mexican's moving in? What about the Mexican's worried
about Americans? Do you have any idea how many companied have moved
to Mexico because of free trade?
General Motors, VW, Honeywell, sony, Nissan, General Electric etc...
They are in Mexico because of the lack of labor laws......low low low
enviromental laws.

And this fact upsets the Mexicans? Come on man, I shouldn't have to explain this. The Mexicans LOVE the US companies that relocate over there and provide them some good jobs by Mexican standards. Everyone is happy except the US worker who is shafted out of his job and pension by NAFTA which has been a huge failure for the people of the USA, and a windfall for the foreigners.

But you would need courage and strength to pack up and move half way
around the world. Do YOU have what it takes?

NO!! And why would I want to? It would be like moving from the "deeelux apartment in the sky" to the projects!

Now go make dinner weezie!

 

[federico]

Ignorance and more Ignorance. What if every American Overseas came back to the USA and took your 22/H Barbie Jet Job. Flying Jobs are just like ************************* you have to know were to look for it. The only point that i do agree on is according to mexican law only mexican born can fly in mexico even if you are legal naturalized Citizen. In that case they shoulld not aloud to fly out side of mexico.

 

[pipejockey]

Ignorance and more Ignorance. What if every American Overseas came back to the USA and took your 22/H Barbie Jet Job.

Why does everyone think I fly an RJ? Try reading the prfile and maybe you'd see I don't!

 

[Beech_boy]

hard workin 'mericans

If even one hard workin 'merican pilot is on furlough no pilot from anywhere else should be able to get a job here as a pilot. simple.

 

[1013dot25hPa]

Beech Boy, go fly your Gulfstream B1900. Your showing your ignorance!

 

[8AF]

And I have to listen to people like you whine and belly ache about people like me who you feel are ignorant and xenophobic because we expect that our most coveted jobs be given to natural born citizens of the USA first. The nerve of you people!!:angryfire

Why should natural born citizens be given priority?
Hiring decision should be based on ability and merits.
That's why we have sim evaluation and knowledge test in interviews.

An immigrant pilot

 

[8AF]

pipejockey and beech_boy:
I certainly don't feel guilty taking the "most coveted jobs" from your fellow natural born citizens.
My family came on an enterpreneur visa, which means we have made significant investment in this country and have to create jobs for US citizens.
It just show your ignorance to stereotype.

 

[Beech_boy]

So to the last two posters; Can a pilot from the US go get a job in your country? For that matter, what are the rules for someone from the US to get any job in your countries? Almost every other country in the world will not allow outsiders to come in and take jobs unless there are no natives to fill them. Europe does this, as do most other countries. We should have the same rules here that other countries have.

 

[8AF]

If you are asking the "country" I am from, the answer is yes. I'm originally from VHHH; CX, KA and several others small carriers accept applicants from all over the world, in fact they make up the majority. Believe it or not, there are local applicants (already with CPL) who get turned down bcos they do not meet the company standard. Again, abilities and merits or # of hours (experience).
Just FYI, I first started flying in the US as a hobby. I did not came here for pilot jobs. And I believe the number of foreign born commercial pilots in the US are still very insignificant.
I believe anyone who is competent deserve a job.

Everyone fly save.

 

[8AF]

And to say foreigners took away flying jobs is just plain wrong. Say if someone got furloughed from a major. I'm pretty sure he/she can easily find a job with a regional, fractional or whatever. There are still plenty of jobs in this country. The question is whether those individuals are willing to take a step back.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

So to the last two posters; Can a pilot from the US go get a job in your country? For that matter, what are the rules for someone from the US to get any job in your countries? Almost every other country in the world will not allow outsiders to come in and take jobs unless there are no natives to fill them. Europe does this, as do most other countries. We should have the same rules here that other countries have.

Never been outside the beautiful state of Alabama I guess ?

No different to the US. You can try and sponsor someone for a job here but you have to jump through many hoops and prove that there is no suitably qualified people here to do the job then they will get a TEMPORY visa to work.

Getting the right to live / work in the US is no different and just as hard if you tried for Europe or the rest of the world. Europe has the same immigration problems as the US with the former eastern block countries being the "Mexicans" of Europe, the far east have the Chinese.

If you want to work in Europe (or any where else) you have to be prepared to get off your @ss and do some major foot work, just as those willing to come here. There is nothing stopping you. Or you could just marry someone and get in that way.

It is narrow minded to sit and think that the US is an open door, it's not in more ways than you might think.


READ !

 

[pipejockey]

pipejockey and beech_boy:
My family came on an enterpreneur visa, which means we have made significant investment in this country

Don't dare give me your "significant investment in this country" drivel! My ancestors have given blood and their lives in wars dating back to the Revolutionary War for this country.

Typical foreigner attitude...What can the USA do for me? You all gripe and moan about this country, but you all sure love the billions in aid we give your homeland.

 

[8AF]

Don't dare give me your "significant investment in this country" drivel! My ancestors have given blood and their lives in wars dating back to the Revolutionary War for this country.

Typical foreigner attitude...What can the USA do for me? You all gripe and moan about this country, but you all sure love the billions in aid we give your homeland.

Your ancestors. What great contributions have you made? Given blood to the Red Cross?
Serious, it's a good thing to do.

Really? Read this (info from Wikipedia):

"U.S. Treasury statistics indicate that, at the end of 2004, foreigners held 44% of federal debt held by the public. [6] About 64% of that 44% was held by the central banks of other countries. A large portion was held by the central banks of Japan and China, although, most was held by members of the EU. This exposes the United States to potential financial or political risk that either bank will stop buying Treasury securities or start selling them heavily."

You still think the whole world depends on the US? It is closer to the truth that countries needs to work with each other.

"In the United States, popular estimates of spending on aid are often highly inflated. Surveys show that people typically think 15-20% of the federal budget is spent on aid; the real number is closer to 1%. In absolute terms, the $15-20bn of aid compares with $50bn spent annually on the war on drugs and $500bn spent on the military."

I did not gripe and moan. I love this country. I only have problems with rednecks and the arrogance of your like. BTW, I became a citizen, so don't call me a foreigner.

I'm not going to waste more time on this thread.

 

[Tank]

I smell a racist!

 

[Tank]

Don't dare give me your "significant investment in this country" drivel! My ancestors have given blood and their lives in wars dating back to the Revolutionary War for this country.

Typical foreigner attitude...What can the USA do for me? You all gripe and moan about this country, but you all sure love the billions in aid we give your homeland.

Did i mention I smell a racist!!

 

[jeroom]

I believe you did.... good guess duh!

 

[1013dot25hPa]

Beech Boy,

The answer is yes. A US Citizen can get a flying job in Europe as long as you have the right to live and work in the EU (same as in the US), have a sponsor (same as in the US) and have the required licenses, cetrificates and type ratings (same as in the US).

For your info, there are quite a few US pilots living and working in Europe. I personally know of several working for KLM in The Netherlands and British Airway's in the UK.

Pipejockey,

Which foreign pilot have you seen or hear moan and gripe about this country on this board? Do you personally know all foreigners in this country to make a blanket statement like you made?

I can't believe you make the statements you have made. It trully shows your enormous ignorance. Do you have any idea how many major businesses are are owned by foreign investors and employ US Citizens? Come to mind is Northwest Airlines which is partially owned by KLM and Air France, your favorite Ben & Jerry's ice cream is for 100% owned by a Dutch Investment conglomeration. Next time your shopping for shampoo or laundry soap etc, check the small print, I'll bet you see the name Unilever on there which again is a major European company. The World Trade Center was Japanese and I can go on and on and on.

Be carefull with what you say and wish for, it might come true. If all foreign investors would withdraw from the US, the US would be bankrupt! Do you know who funds the war on terror? You guessed it, China! The US sells treasure bonds to China (almost exclusively) to fund the war. You know what, at some point the US has to pay back the Chinese for those as they are in essence loans made to the US from China. I wouldn't P!SS foreigners off too much as we will be in a world of hurt.

 

[aussiefly]

See the thing is no matter what country you are from there are **************************************** and a few are coming out in this thread. The reality is Citizenship is not a right but a responsiblity. Too many people think that just because they were born in a country and that so and so ancestor did this that they are a good citizen. WRONG.

Citizenship isnt a right its something that is earned whether you were born there or not. Just go and look at how many mexicans who have permanent residency in the US are serving in Iraq in the armed forces. Defending a country they arnt even a citizen of yet. These people have in fact done more for the country than most US Citizens ever will. They are prepared to make the ultiamte sacrifice for the US way of life.

So before you start shooting your mouth off about your god given right blah blah blah maybe you should think about what the US was founded upon. It seems to me that you have forgotten about give us your tired give us your poor. The reality is that the US is a country of immigrants and your `ancestors' were likely imigrants to.

So maybe your not quite as american as some people who have paid the ultimate price. What have YOU done for your country lately!