ASA and Greencards

[Victor Meldrew]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the EU have a policy of only allowing outsiders to work at a job if there are no qualified candidates from the specific country, and then from the entire EU?

No different to the US. You can try and sponsor someone for a job here but you have to jump through many hoops and prove that there is no suitably qualified people here to do the job then they will get a TEMPORY visa to work.

Getting the right to live / work in the US is no different and just as hard if you tried for Europe or the rest of the world. Europe has the same immigration problems as the US with the former eastern block countries being the "Mexicans" of Europe, the far east have the Chinese.

If you want to work in Europe (or any where else) you have to be prepared to get off your @ss and do some major foot work, just as those willing to come here. There is nothing stopping you. Or you could just marry someone and get in that way.

It is narrow minded to sit and think that the US is an open door, it's not in more ways than you might think.

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Guys, as we've all been told on here a thousand times....it's not that we U.S. pilot's cannot go over to the EU to fly, it's just that none of us American pilots are smart enought to pass those tough written exams that they have over there in the EU.quote]

Most would never be able to pass the exams in any case! Yes I have overseas licenses and having had the US ATP first, I found that that in NO way prepared you for writting anyone elses licenses. Sad but the US exams are pretty much a joke when it comes to a knowledge base. Thats why a lot of countries don't recognise the FAA license.

 

[ex j-41]

Yes

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the EU have a policy of only allowing outsiders to work at a job if there are no qualified candidates from the specific country, and then from the entire EU?

That is partly correct.
There are many ways to get a work permit in England or the EU.
They mirror the USA's immigration policy.

The USA also has the same policy. IF there are not enough workers in a
particular sector then companies are free to look elsewhere. The rules
are quite clear on how they prove that no Americans are available for the
job.

But that is just one of many ways to immigrate to England.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Most would never be able to pass the exams in any case! Yes I have overseas licenses and having had the US ATP first, I found that that in NO way prepared you for writting anyone elses licenses. Sad but the US exams are pretty much a joke when it comes to a knowledge base. Thats why a lot of countries don't recognise the FAA license.

Do you really think that is why "a lot of countries" don't recongnise the FAA license? Come on now. SO tell us then, why is it to so many pilot's come over here to do their simulator training? And why would they if their country wouldn't recognise it? And how many Boeing or Airbus F/O's do you see over here in the U.S. with 500 hours total time? NONE. But hey, I am sure all those passengers over in the EU would take comfort in the fact that while thier co-pilot only has 500 hours....he did take a very hard written exam...oh, and he did stay at a Holiday Inn last night too.

 

[twott driver]

How is it ignorant and xenophobic for us to expect that with the over abundance of pilot candidates we have in this country, that we would give preference to our own natural born citizens?

And I have to listen to people like you whine and belly ache about people like me who you feel are ignorant and xenophobic because we expect that our most coveted jobs be given to natural born citizens of the USA first. The nerve of you people!!:angryfire

Let me guess..................

You've never been west of the Alabama State line?

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Do you really think that is why "a lot of countries" don't recongnise the FAA license? Come on now. SO tell us then, why is it to so many pilot's come over here to do their simulator training? And why would they if their country wouldn't recognise it?

Because the sim rates are far cheaper, lodging also BUT they are tested to their contries standards with appointed examiners not with FAA examiners. I did DC8 sim in the US for exactly those reasons even though our approved sim course was 6 seasons more than the ones offered for the US rating.

I am not necessarily saying the US system is inferior, but overseas requirements are more intense and cover a lot more material.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

yes I know, I used to teach JAA clients at a part 142 training center. SO I know JAA training rules quite well. What makes JAA a pain isnt the level of instruction, it's the paper work. Trust me, I no longer complain about the FAA processes.

 

[pipejockey]

Dude there are american's all over the world. Getting hired all over the world
flying in China, Japan, even russia.

There are not enough qualified pilots in those countries to meet demand. If there were furloughed Chinese, Russian, Japanese pilots in their own countries, they wouldn't be hiring us.

Worried about the Mexican's moving in? What about the Mexican's worried
about Americans? Do you have any idea how many companied have moved
to Mexico because of free trade?
General Motors, VW, Honeywell, sony, Nissan, General Electric etc...
They are in Mexico because of the lack of labor laws......low low low
enviromental laws.

And this fact upsets the Mexicans? Come on man, I shouldn't have to explain this. The Mexicans LOVE the US companies that relocate over there and provide them some good jobs by Mexican standards. Everyone is happy except the US worker who is shafted out of his job and pension by NAFTA which has been a huge failure for the people of the USA, and a windfall for the foreigners.

But you would need courage and strength to pack up and move half way
around the world. Do YOU have what it takes?

NO!! And why would I want to? It would be like moving from the "deeelux apartment in the sky" to the projects!

Now go make dinner weezie!

 

[federico]

Ignorance and more Ignorance. What if every American Overseas came back to the USA and took your 22/H Barbie Jet Job. Flying Jobs are just like ************************* you have to know were to look for it. The only point that i do agree on is according to mexican law only mexican born can fly in mexico even if you are legal naturalized Citizen. In that case they shoulld not aloud to fly out side of mexico.

 

[pipejockey]

Ignorance and more Ignorance. What if every American Overseas came back to the USA and took your 22/H Barbie Jet Job.

Why does everyone think I fly an RJ? Try reading the prfile and maybe you'd see I don't!

 

[Beech_boy]

hard workin 'mericans

If even one hard workin 'merican pilot is on furlough no pilot from anywhere else should be able to get a job here as a pilot. simple.

 

[1013dot25hPa]

Beech Boy, go fly your Gulfstream B1900. Your showing your ignorance!

 

[8AF]

And I have to listen to people like you whine and belly ache about people like me who you feel are ignorant and xenophobic because we expect that our most coveted jobs be given to natural born citizens of the USA first. The nerve of you people!!:angryfire

Why should natural born citizens be given priority?
Hiring decision should be based on ability and merits.
That's why we have sim evaluation and knowledge test in interviews.

An immigrant pilot

 

[8AF]

pipejockey and beech_boy:
I certainly don't feel guilty taking the "most coveted jobs" from your fellow natural born citizens.
My family came on an enterpreneur visa, which means we have made significant investment in this country and have to create jobs for US citizens.
It just show your ignorance to stereotype.

 

[Beech_boy]

So to the last two posters; Can a pilot from the US go get a job in your country? For that matter, what are the rules for someone from the US to get any job in your countries? Almost every other country in the world will not allow outsiders to come in and take jobs unless there are no natives to fill them. Europe does this, as do most other countries. We should have the same rules here that other countries have.