ASA and Greencards

[fareview]

No I am not. Just pointing out that all you guys come over here looking for the promised land because you are too cheap to pay for it in your own portion of the world. You come here, get your license cheaper than at home and try to compete in our y-o-b market. You don't see it the other way around becasue to work for Ryanair, Easyjet and various other you mentioned an American not only needs JAA license but also a right to work visa. Most of those are very stringent and yet the same standard is not applied to Oly from sfeeeeden when he turns up on the doorstep of some carrier in the US.

You refer to immigrants as "...being too cheap to pay for it in your own portion of the world.."

This was a debate you were losing quite rapidly until this last post and now its really a case of the rest of us reading and sighing in pity.

Ok so let me think of some entities that are as American as apple pie..here we go:

The Office of the President of the united States

USMC

US Army

The Boeing Co.

Is the USMC "...too cheap...in their world"...because they selected a European helicopter to transport the President of the US of A

Is the US Army "too cheap...in their world..." because they just ordered hundreds of European Light Utility Helicopters.

Is Boeing "...too cheap...in their world..." because they have paid Japanese heavy industries to manufacture the composite for the 787. And paid EVA of Taiwan to convert their 747 to carry the components across the Pacific.

Obviously the above are a few basic (did'nt think you could handle a non-aviation) examples of what goes on by the billions day in and day out in the world.

FD is right this is just comedy at this stage.

Let me leave you with an honorable thought.

E Pluribus Unum.

Respectfully,

fareview

 

[AceCrackshot]

I don't think anyone is saying that Delta, or even Trans States could sponsor a pilot for a work visa. However, you guys are getting them though some route, correct? Edited to Add: Certain roads to citizenship are more difficult than others. I've heard of people being granted spousal green cards in a matter of months. Kudos to you sticking though a difficult system and utterly broken bureaucracy.

My personal issue with greencard pilots (vs. naturalized citizens) is that it is a easy, non-discrimitory way to start to limit the number of pilots in the US. The only way for pilot wages to return to a living level, especially in the 135 world, with any kind of structural stability is limit the number of pilots in the system.

Now personally, I'd love to see JAA level exams come to the United States. I can study and would probably pass them. Those exams in Europe do nothing for safety, but they are an excellent way to limit entrance into a profession. As a result, aviation is still an excellent job in most of the rest of the world. While we're at it, I'd like to see a much more rigourous medical exam (how about a height/weight proportionate section) and a 121 requirement for 3000 hrs. of turbine time for PIC of a 121 jet.

My issue isn't chauvanism. I'm married to the daughter of immigrants. They are Hollywood Central Casting Immigrants. Hardworking, dependable, patriotic. My issue is defending a profession while we still have one to defend.

 

[pipejockey]

Gee I am away for a few days and the insults just keep adding up. Just go over all these posts and see what side is throwing around the personal insults and name calling. Yes it's those pesky foreigners!!! They do not support anything this country try's to do abroad (except of course when my ancestors are spilling blood and dying overseas to bail their sorry asses out of WWI and WWII) but of course thats ancient history, what have you done for me lately I suppose.

So for all those pro immigration people, try looking at a population growth curve, it's an exponential curve. When do you suggest we close the borders? At a population of 500 mil? 1 billion? So when? Talk about foreign bigots, some of you here fit that profile to a tee. And yes it is possible for a foreigner to be a bigot, as hard as it is for some of you zealots to believe, and you all reek of the stench of bigotry.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Ace –

I knew you would have some brains. Thanks for your post. As far as lowering the bar… I made 4800 bucks a month as a BE-200 SIC (corp. P91 and charter 135) and 5800 as a PIC a month. Not bad for a 22 y/old. Please let me know what I can do to stop lowering the bar at the 135 level!

Piper –

If we would have closed the U.S. border to white Christian Europeans years and years ago, there would not have been a pipejockey at flightinfo right now. I promise you though (if that makes you feel any better) that I will move to Canada as soon as they elect hillary for president.

Ok, Ill be trying to stay out of this now, but it’s funny to see how the anti European division out here has 0% good points to make.

Gotta go, my 100% blond petit American girlfriend is waiting for her Euro bf to pick her up and buy dinner. The whole “going Dutch” theory doesn’t work in the new country I guess .

You guys have a great night.
FD.

 

[FlyingToIST]

Flyingdutchman,
please don't call Pipejockey "piper" it's a very bad insult to a great aircraft!

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Ace -

To problem is not immigrant pilots, the problem is pilots willing to work for nothing and/or pay for their training and type ratings. I made more $$ flying my (super ) king air 16 days a month then pipejockey flying his SJS CRJ 80 hours a month.

Also, you think that it is the fault of Americans flying for Emirates that they have sh*ty duty times right now and BS schedules and rest times ?

of course not, it's the result of a sh*ty market, and pilots in general willing to bent over for management way to easy.

Be safe.
FD

 

[FlyingToIST]

My personal issue with greencard pilots (vs. naturalized citizens) is that it is a easy, non-discrimitory way to start to limit the number of pilots in the US. The only way for pilot wages to return to a living level, especially in the 135 world, with any kind of structural stability is limit the number of pilots in the system.

My issue is defending a profession while we still have one to defend.

Well, guess what I am GC pilot and missed two class dates ebcause of the stupid TSA rule. Why? Because someone needed a window dressing measure to make sure 9/11 didn't happen again.. As a person who had a student visa, h1b visa and then green card i have been checked by any 3 letter agency more than a born American has been.. No, that wouldn't be enough..

To be honest with you I don't see why would you care if i was a citizen or a permanent resident. The issue is to right to live and work in USA. It's not like we are getting handed these GCs left and right.. What are the number of GC holder pilots? What are the # of pilots who are going into aviation by ERAUs, UNDs and ATPs with the potential of making money and meeting hot chicks..

Compared to Ch.11 declaring airlines that are getting wage concessions, giving more flying to regionals, sending more airplanes to Honduras for mx work, I'd say few hundered of us are doing nothing to take the industry down..

But then again, we are easy targets.. so start shooting..

 

[ReportCanoa]

What are the # of pilots who are going into aviation by ERAUs, UNDs and ATPs with the potential of making money and meeting hot chicks..

Less than zero.

 

[007]

Why should natural born citizens be given priority?
Hiring decision should be based on ability and merits.
That's why we have sim evaluation and knowledge test in interviews.

That's because he's a native american, just like everyone else on this board

 

[ReportCanoa]

Nothing wrong with immigrants, but learn how to speak English. And feel free to take advantage of the opportunities in your own country, like the airlines that are blacklisted/ banned by the European Union.

 

[pipejockey]

I made more $$ flying my (super ) king air 16 days a month then pipejockey flying his SJS CRJ 80 hours a month.

Why does everyone insist on calling me an rj pilot? Well most of the people in this thread are from abroad, maybe they need to brush up on their reading skills.

If we would have closed the U.S. border to white Christian Europeans years and years ago, there would not have been a pipejockey at flightinfo right now. I promise you though (if that makes you feel any better) that I will move to Canada as soon as they elect hillary for president.

Get real dude! When the country had far fewer people we needed those from abroad to come here and populate the country and make it what it once was, a great place to live your life and engage in ones pursuit of happiness. It still is the greatest place in the world, although a far cry from what it once was, due to the disasterous and liberal policies of our government over the past 50 years.

And based on your statement about that wretched witch, we may not be that different after all. Can't we all just get along:bawling:?

learn how to speak English. And feel free to take advantage of the opportunities in your own country, like the airlines that are blacklisted/ banned by the European Union.

This gentleman addresses the above problem with an eloquence I don't have, so check out this short clip.
http://www.thekidfrombrooklyn.com/video_disp.asp?videoid=1263

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[Britpilot]

We should have the same rules here that other countries have.

We do.
I would suggest some research before you post.
As my dad used to say "engage brain before placing mouth in gear"

 

[Flyingdutchman]

And based on your statement about that wretched witch, we may not be that different after all. Can't we all just get along:bawling:

No doubt in my mind we can. Let me know when you get to my home town on a overnight, I'll be more then happy to buy you a few beers.

FD

 

[pipejockey]

No doubt in my mind we can. Let me know when you get to my home town on a overnight, I'll be more then happy to buy you a few beers.

FD

Why thank you!