ASA and Greencards

[8AF]

If you are asking the "country" I am from, the answer is yes. I'm originally from VHHH; CX, KA and several others small carriers accept applicants from all over the world, in fact they make up the majority. Believe it or not, there are local applicants (already with CPL) who get turned down bcos they do not meet the company standard. Again, abilities and merits or # of hours (experience).
Just FYI, I first started flying in the US as a hobby. I did not came here for pilot jobs. And I believe the number of foreign born commercial pilots in the US are still very insignificant.
I believe anyone who is competent deserve a job.

Everyone fly save.

 

[8AF]

And to say foreigners took away flying jobs is just plain wrong. Say if someone got furloughed from a major. I'm pretty sure he/she can easily find a job with a regional, fractional or whatever. There are still plenty of jobs in this country. The question is whether those individuals are willing to take a step back.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

So to the last two posters; Can a pilot from the US go get a job in your country? For that matter, what are the rules for someone from the US to get any job in your countries? Almost every other country in the world will not allow outsiders to come in and take jobs unless there are no natives to fill them. Europe does this, as do most other countries. We should have the same rules here that other countries have.

Never been outside the beautiful state of Alabama I guess ?

No different to the US. You can try and sponsor someone for a job here but you have to jump through many hoops and prove that there is no suitably qualified people here to do the job then they will get a TEMPORY visa to work.

Getting the right to live / work in the US is no different and just as hard if you tried for Europe or the rest of the world. Europe has the same immigration problems as the US with the former eastern block countries being the "Mexicans" of Europe, the far east have the Chinese.

If you want to work in Europe (or any where else) you have to be prepared to get off your @ss and do some major foot work, just as those willing to come here. There is nothing stopping you. Or you could just marry someone and get in that way.

It is narrow minded to sit and think that the US is an open door, it's not in more ways than you might think.


READ !

 

[pipejockey]

pipejockey and beech_boy:
My family came on an enterpreneur visa, which means we have made significant investment in this country

Don't dare give me your "significant investment in this country" drivel! My ancestors have given blood and their lives in wars dating back to the Revolutionary War for this country.

Typical foreigner attitude...What can the USA do for me? You all gripe and moan about this country, but you all sure love the billions in aid we give your homeland.

 

[8AF]

Don't dare give me your "significant investment in this country" drivel! My ancestors have given blood and their lives in wars dating back to the Revolutionary War for this country.

Typical foreigner attitude...What can the USA do for me? You all gripe and moan about this country, but you all sure love the billions in aid we give your homeland.

Your ancestors. What great contributions have you made? Given blood to the Red Cross?
Serious, it's a good thing to do.

Really? Read this (info from Wikipedia):

"U.S. Treasury statistics indicate that, at the end of 2004, foreigners held 44% of federal debt held by the public. [6] About 64% of that 44% was held by the central banks of other countries. A large portion was held by the central banks of Japan and China, although, most was held by members of the EU. This exposes the United States to potential financial or political risk that either bank will stop buying Treasury securities or start selling them heavily."

You still think the whole world depends on the US? It is closer to the truth that countries needs to work with each other.

"In the United States, popular estimates of spending on aid are often highly inflated. Surveys show that people typically think 15-20% of the federal budget is spent on aid; the real number is closer to 1%. In absolute terms, the $15-20bn of aid compares with $50bn spent annually on the war on drugs and $500bn spent on the military."

I did not gripe and moan. I love this country. I only have problems with rednecks and the arrogance of your like. BTW, I became a citizen, so don't call me a foreigner.

I'm not going to waste more time on this thread.

 

[Tank]

I smell a racist!

 

[Tank]

Don't dare give me your "significant investment in this country" drivel! My ancestors have given blood and their lives in wars dating back to the Revolutionary War for this country.

Typical foreigner attitude...What can the USA do for me? You all gripe and moan about this country, but you all sure love the billions in aid we give your homeland.

Did i mention I smell a racist!!

 

[jeroom]

I believe you did.... good guess duh!

 

[1013dot25hPa]

Beech Boy,

The answer is yes. A US Citizen can get a flying job in Europe as long as you have the right to live and work in the EU (same as in the US), have a sponsor (same as in the US) and have the required licenses, cetrificates and type ratings (same as in the US).

For your info, there are quite a few US pilots living and working in Europe. I personally know of several working for KLM in The Netherlands and British Airway's in the UK.

Pipejockey,

Which foreign pilot have you seen or hear moan and gripe about this country on this board? Do you personally know all foreigners in this country to make a blanket statement like you made?

I can't believe you make the statements you have made. It trully shows your enormous ignorance. Do you have any idea how many major businesses are are owned by foreign investors and employ US Citizens? Come to mind is Northwest Airlines which is partially owned by KLM and Air France, your favorite Ben & Jerry's ice cream is for 100% owned by a Dutch Investment conglomeration. Next time your shopping for shampoo or laundry soap etc, check the small print, I'll bet you see the name Unilever on there which again is a major European company. The World Trade Center was Japanese and I can go on and on and on.

Be carefull with what you say and wish for, it might come true. If all foreign investors would withdraw from the US, the US would be bankrupt! Do you know who funds the war on terror? You guessed it, China! The US sells treasure bonds to China (almost exclusively) to fund the war. You know what, at some point the US has to pay back the Chinese for those as they are in essence loans made to the US from China. I wouldn't P!SS foreigners off too much as we will be in a world of hurt.

 

[aussiefly]

See the thing is no matter what country you are from there are **************************************** and a few are coming out in this thread. The reality is Citizenship is not a right but a responsiblity. Too many people think that just because they were born in a country and that so and so ancestor did this that they are a good citizen. WRONG.

Citizenship isnt a right its something that is earned whether you were born there or not. Just go and look at how many mexicans who have permanent residency in the US are serving in Iraq in the armed forces. Defending a country they arnt even a citizen of yet. These people have in fact done more for the country than most US Citizens ever will. They are prepared to make the ultiamte sacrifice for the US way of life.

So before you start shooting your mouth off about your god given right blah blah blah maybe you should think about what the US was founded upon. It seems to me that you have forgotten about give us your tired give us your poor. The reality is that the US is a country of immigrants and your `ancestors' were likely imigrants to.

So maybe your not quite as american as some people who have paid the ultimate price. What have YOU done for your country lately!

 

[1013dot25hPa]

Excellent post aussfly! And BTW Pipejockey, if you realy believe that foreigners don't have a right to work in this country, you shouldn't either unless you were born a Native American Indian. If not, you're essentially a foreigner too, aren't you?
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[PacoPollo]

I have a flying job in this country. I dont even have a visa....

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

I have a flying job in this country. I dont even have a visa....

Oh come on now Paco. What do you mean by "a flying job"? We all know you are a ground pounder....you poser.

 

[goahead]

Time to close this thread

 

[fareview]

If you get a flying job in your own country you don't need a green card...

Deep...spoken like a man who has a true understanding of the history and heritage of how this 200+ year democracy was developed...

Any other nuggets there chief?

May I ask what native American tribe you hail from?

respectfully...

fv

 

[pipejockey]

I can't believe you make the statements you have made. It trully shows your enormous ignorance.

You want to start talking about ignorance, well lets begin!

Next time your shopping for shampoo or laundry soap etc, check the small print, I'll bet you see the name Unilever on there which again is a major European company. The World Trade Center was Japanese and I can go on and on and on.

And what is your point? Is this supposed to make me find love in my heart for all of these so called foreign investors? What you describe is the result of a complete failure of our economic policy which is only concerned about big business, and company portfolios.

Everything we buy in the USA has a label that says...
Made in "insert any 2 bit country". It's not because we can't do it ourselves, it's because corporate America can watch their profits soar while we get 2nd rate products to buy.

Be carefull with what you say and wish for, it might come true. If all foreign investors would withdraw from the US, the US would be bankrupt!

Lets see. How about poor pathetic little USA who you feel is so dependent upon other nations, decides to bring back all of the industry it has outsourced for well over 50 years. First off, citizens of the USA would finally be able to see "Made in the USA" marks once again. Many of us would be seeing those words for the first time. And all the while we would be seeing those oh so important foreign nations wither at the vine. It would be glorious!! Sure, there would be hardships as we transitioned our economy back to a domestic based economy, but in the long run we would be far better off.

The simple fact is that the world needs us more then we need it!! Who does everyone come running to when they are in trouble? You guessed it the good ole USA. When Israel and Lebanon started throwing their toys at one another like a couple 2 year olds, who is immediately asked to come up with a plan to end it? You guessed it the good ole USA.

I wouldn't P!SS foreigners off too much as we will be in a world of hurt.

Is that so? I guess we should have left you foreigners to your own devices 65 years ago. I wonder if there would even be any of your big shot "foreign investors" around to do their investing.

 

[FlyingToIST]

Pipejockey,
here are my suggestions :
1. Get a US passport
2. DON'T use it to board planes flying to see your cousin that you are married to.
3. DO use it to go OUTSIDE US of A.
4. Fly to Kazakhistan and say hello to Borat.

 

[FlyingToIST]

Does anyone know if ASA hire people with Greencards? I know all airlines like to portray that they do hire candidates with Greencards, but from what I've been told, the vast majority of airlines like to steer clear of them because of the added paperwork involved. Anyone know if this is the case at ASA?

Smash,
if someone doesn't want to hire you, train you or refuses the job JUST because you have a Permanent Residency, any immigration attorney will be more than glad to talk to you.
In order to get a job in US you need to be a citizen OR have the right to live and work in USA. Permanent Residency allows you to do so.

After Sept. 11 some carriers like ACA jumped the gone to require citizenship for applicants and we got together as "green card pilots" and started to edjukate them.

On the other hand, hidden racism does happen from time to time; not in companies of the size of ASA though.

Good luck..

Yet another "greencard pilot" who will be a citizen soon; but that won't even be acceptable for some bozos on this board.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

chicks dig us.

game, set and match.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Freaking Eurotrash steeling our jobs and f*cking our women folk!

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Pipejockey,
here are my suggestions :
1. Get a US passport
2. DON'T use it to board planes flying to see your cousin that you are married to.
3. DO use it to go OUTSIDE US of A.
4. Fly to Kazakhistan and say hello to Borat.

That was freaking great... Can't wait to see that movie (point 4).

Piper -

Get a passport and go travel for a while. You need it. Maybe finish high school (online?) while on the road.

FD

 

[pipejockey]

Yet another "greencard pilot" who will be a citizen soon; but that won't even be acceptable for some bozos on this board.

I guess you are referring to me. So tell me, why is it that you want to leave your country of birth? Can't it provide the things you seek in life?

Get a passport and go travel for a while. You need it. Maybe finish high school (online?) while on the road.

Why is that? Because I am an American and have an America first policy? I am sure a French citizen has a France first policy, an Englishman has an England first policy etc etc.

I do travel, as there are many great destinations here in the USA where I can spend my money on our own economy instead of some foreign economy that benefits people who don't support anything the USA does, even though we bailed out their ancestors on numerous occasions and were not paid back 1 red cent!

As far as finishing HS, take a look at your above quote, and tell me who needs to finish HS. And why is it you need to make 3 seperate posts for 5 ignorant sentences?

 

[aussiefly]

I note that you say "WE" . You didn't do anything you biggoted loser. You were not even born at that stage and now you are claiming credit from someone else's work???

Really, unless you are somehow a native american indian then you are simply an immigrant like the rest of us. In reality, I think you need to learn a little more about what the U.S stands for rather than shooting your mouth off. Its clear to me that you really dont understand the continuing experiement that the U.S is. If you dont understand even the fundamentals of where you came from and how then I really do recommend you go back to school.

Whats next??? You hate black people too ????

idiot

 

[fareview]

I guess you are referring to me. So tell me, why is it that you want to leave your country of birth? Can't it provide the things you seek in life?



Why is that? Because I am an American and have an America first policy? I am sure a French citizen has a France first policy, an Englishman has an England first policy etc etc.

I do travel, as there are many great destinations here in the USA where I can spend my money on our own economy instead of some foreign economy that benefits people who don't support anything the USA does, even though we bailed out their ancestors on numerous occasions and were not paid back 1 red cent!

As far as finishing HS, take a look at your above quote, and tell me who needs to finish HS. And why is it you need to make 3 seperate posts for 5 ignorant sentences?

So along the lines of America first would you also suggest that foreigners not buy OUR products after all what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, non?

I wonder how successful the co. that manufactured the 727 that you fly would prevail if foreigners took a page out of your book or Microsoft or GE or ...oh never mind

Remember we were instrumental in winning facism (WW1, WW2) communism (the Cold War) authoritarianism (Panama, Haiti, The Balkans, Grenada, etc) and eventually we will beat Jihadism (this one will take time – perhaps generations – but the result will be to our benefit)

What does ...ism mean? Its an idea and the only one that works is capitalism
Why because the premise of other systems are fundamentally flawed – and in the long run they are doomed to failure

China and India are embracing the free markets in good ole’ American fashion and look at the results...why? Because the premise of their old systems are fundamentally flawed...are you getting it yet? Its called globalization

How does that relate to greencards?

The one area where this country is unassailable is our economic model. The US accounts for (roughly) 5% of the worlds population but 20% of the worlds GDP...BTW China is roughly the inverse.

If we close our borders how will we spread this message? Who will fill the ranks of our graduate schools along with Americans? How will we create an environment where our wares will be purchased overseas if we become isolationist.

My friend ...
May I remind you that here in the US the unemployment rate is around 5%. If you have ever studied any basic economics you would know that that is considered virtual employment due to transience and the fact that some people will not get up and go to work out of choice i.e some Americans...cue the ambitious immigrant who will work hard, procreate and instill that ethic in his or her AMERICAN offspring making this country better off (higher tax revenues...Sherlock).


Do us all a favor will you...get a clue and while you are at it go pick up a book and read about isolationism and how it works... need a hint on where to start. Pyongyang.

Respectfully,

 

[aussiefly]

So along the lines of America first would you also suggest that foreigners not buy OUR products after all what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, non?

I wonder how successful the co. that manufactured the 727 that you fly would prevail if foreigners took a page out of your book or Microsoft or GE or ...oh never mind

Remember we were instrumental in winning facism (WW1, WW2) communism (the Cold War) authoritarianism (Panama, Haiti, The Balkans, Grenada, etc) and eventually we will beat Jihadism (this one will take time – perhaps generations – but the result will be to our benefit)

What does ...ism mean? Its an idea and the only one that works is capitalism
Why because the premise of other systems are fundamentally flawed – and in the long run they are doomed to failure

China and India are embracing the free markets in good ole’ American fashion and look at the results...why? Because the premise of their old systems are fundamentally flawed...are you getting it yet? Its called globalization

How does that relate to greencards?

The one area where this country is unassailable is our economic model. The US accounts for (roughly) 5% of the worlds population but 20% of the worlds GDP...BTW China is roughly the inverse.

If we close our borders how will we spread this message? Who will fill the ranks of our graduate schools along with Americans? How will we create an environment where our wares will be purchased overseas if we become isolationist.

My friend ...
May I remind you that here in the US the unemployment rate is around 5%. If you have ever studied any basic economics you would know that that is considered virtual employment due to transience and the fact that some people will not get up and go to work out of choice i.e some Americans...cue the ambitious immigrant who will work hard, procreate and instill that ethic in his or her AMERICAN offspring making this country better off (higher tax revenues...Sherlock).


Do us all a favor will you...get a clue and while you are at it go pick up a book and read about isolationism and how it works... need a hint on where to start. Pyongyang.

Respectfully,

Great post Fareview.

 

[FlyingToIST]

I do travel, as there are many great destinations here in the USA where I can spend my money on our own economy instead of some foreign economy that benefits people who don't support anything the USA does, even though we bailed out their ancestors on numerous occasions and were not paid back 1 red cent!

Pipejockey,
I have seen more of America than most of the Americans i know. It's a beautiful country with no doubts about it.

On the other hand, i pitty the fool that thinks that permanent residents just got off some Chinese ship container to do some work.

Some of us come here because of the opportunity of higher education. There are more foreign born PhD candidates in this country than "Born in the USA" types. Explain that for a moment.

Some of us are here because we found our love in an American gal/guy.

Some of us are here because we invested in this country. You tell me to go back home, but i will have to fire 15 American CFIs, front desk personnel and some other people that do business with.

Now, as a "Born in the USA" American you can do all of these above in Europe, Asia, Australia and still be like us. I know, I know you are going to say "I ain't leaving my USA" but the point that i am trying to make is these things are legit ways of immigrating and every country allows that..

Lastly,
you are the kind of guy that is full of desire of "bomb this, bomb that, let's turn XYZ into a McD's parking lot" type of sh!t. I met many of you and i am sure i will run into your "relatives" too.. Yet you refuse to go to outside of USA because you are scared of other cultures. You are the same kind of guy that thinks we are the greatest and the world should be ruled by us. How can you expect to rule the world without even seing any part of it

So far the only thing i can find respectful about you is the 727 you are flying.

Have a great day and keep the blue side up!

 

[federico]

I hate every idiot racist that ever worked at ACA . Im glad that arrogant outfit went down the drain along with its embry riddle wannabes. This pipe jockey caracter is your typical sloppy joe eating cheap beer drinking football watching trailerpark trash member. he doesnt deserve to fly

 

[Flyingdutchman]

I do travel, as there are many great destinations here in the USA where I can spend my money on our own economy instead of some foreign economy that benefits people who don't support anything the USA does, even though we bailed out their ancestors on numerous occasions and were not paid back 1 red cent

Hey Piper -

Is this you ?

http://www.keiths.org/Redneck-Humor/you-might-be-a-redneck.jpg

As far as finishing HS, take a look at your above quote, and tell me who needs to finish HS. And why is it you need to make 3 seperate posts for 5 ignorant sentences?

Speaking (and writing) 5 languages I do f*ck up indeed from time to time.
I do apologize for that. How easy would it be for you to go abroad, learn a new language and on top of that trying to make a career as a commercial pilot?

Tell ya what; you don’t know the first thing about coming to this country and immigrating (the legal way Paco amigo…) and paying your dues.

Have a blessed day sir.
FD

 

[1013dot25hPa]

Pipejockey, you are trully some piece of "born-from-immigrants second or third generation" piece-of-work! Were you abused as a child? Bi-polar or otherwise mentally challenged?

If it wasn't for immigration, we wouldn't have enough doctors and nurses to nurse your s!ck ass back to health if neccessary. The US invites people from other countries over to fill shortages in the job market. Right now there is a huge shortage of qualified doctors and nurses for example. There are many more professions the US is looking for right now that need to be filled and the US is looking outside to fill these positions. Why? To help us become an even stronger economical power. There are simply not enough US Citizens graduating from US universities to fill the demand.

It is a fact that it is very hard to immigrate to the US. Just have a look at the immigration website. You either need to have family ties, hold a Masters Degree or better, have a significant amount of money to invest into the US economy AND employ US Citizens or be a top athlete that will compete for the US or be a political refugee.

You also seem to forget that a substantial number of American troops defending you sorry A$$ are immigrants with green cards and are not yet US Citizens.

Granted, illegal immigration is a major issue that needs to be addressed ASAP, but that is something totaly different.

 

[8AF]

I've said I'll no longer waste time on this thread but just can't help.
You P.O.S, don't take a job with any carrier that flies to other country.