ASA and Greencards

[Smash312]

Does anyone know if ASA hire people with Greencards? I know all airlines like to portray that they do hire candidates with Greencards, but from what I've been told, the vast majority of airlines like to steer clear of them because of the added paperwork involved. Anyone know if this is the case at ASA?

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

If you get a flying job in your own country you don't need a green card...

 

[Cardenal]

If you get a flying job in your own country you don't need a green card...

No problem! There are quite a few of us at ASA with Green Cards and I personally have not had a problem. I have not heard of anyone else having problems either. People at ASA are actually pretty cool. Don't let the ignorant, xenophobic opinion quoted above taint your opinion of us.

Good luck and hope to welcome you aboard soon. This is not a bad place to be, and, once the contract troubles are solved, it will be better.

 

[jeroom]

If you get a flying job in your own country you don't need a green card...

TOOL...

 

[twott driver]

If you get a flying job in your own country you don't need a green card...

If, instead of sitting on your sofa pulling your wire, playing video-games and posting on this showcase of intellectual achievement, you'd get off your pimply arse and service your american women, they wouldn't have to go halfway around the world to find proper men to shag them like they like it.

Then all your xenophobic narrow-minded views would be taken care of, and they'd leave us in peace to share our 12" with our hot local chicks.

Jack@ss

 

[twott driver]

Oh, and no, ASA has no problem hiring greencard holders. The vast majority of pilots there are pretty cool and very welcoming of us.

 

[bailout]

Where's ICE when you need them?

 

[twott driver]

Looking south, young man....... to the Rio Grande

 

[The_Russian]

Please come to the US to work! I need some more people to make fun of on the radio!

rojer!

 

[~~~^~~~]

If, instead of sitting on your sofa pulling your wire, playing video-games and posting on this showcase of intellectual achievement, you'd get off your pimply arse and service your american women, they wouldn't have to go halfway around the world to find proper men to shag them like they like it.

Jack@ss

More women immigrate to the US than Men under marriage VISA's. My understanding is that "Made in USA" is synonymous with what many foriegn Doctors would refer to as "Massively Overdeveloped."

 

[twott driver]

now I can only reply from my african perspective, but you know that our
d!cks are only 2".......................

2" from the ground that is!

When you see an african walking down the street scratching his shin, it may not be as innocent as it at first seems!

As for "made in the USA"................. that was long ago replaced by "made in China", and we can only guess how "massively overdeveloped" they are.

 

[pipejockey]

Don't let the ignorant, xenophobic opinion quoted above taint your opinion of us.

How is it ignorant and xenophobic for us to expect that with the over abundance of pilot candidates we have in this country, that we would give preference to our own natural born citizens? If the situation in Asia or the Mid-East was like it is in this country, you can bet your bottom dollar Emirates, and Cathay wouldn't think of hiring a pilot from the United States.

It's all about need. And airlines in the United States have 8000 or so pilots furloughed, and you have the gall to call us ignorant and xenophobes.

Just try as an American to immigrate to Japan, or China, or even some of the European Countries, and you would find it nearly impossible. Yet we Americans are supposed to keep the floodgates open for eternity? This isn't a country in need of people to propagate and develop it into a super power like we once did. We are a country with a burgeoning population from not only legal immigration, but ILLEGAL as well. 300 million, and rising out of control. Urban sprawl is eating up prime real-estate at an alarming rate, all the while pricing people like me (a 7th generation American) out of our original neighborhoods. When do we stop it? At 400 Million? 500 Million? So when? Tell me!
Population growth is an exponential curve. Check it out and see what I mean.

And we are condemned for even thinking about stopping our ILLEGAL immigration. Some say we should put out watering stations so the illegals can make their journey through the desert without any undue hardship. My ancestors fought and died in every major war this counrty has been involved in, so that they can pass along something better to their descendents.

And I have to listen to people like you whine and belly ache about people like me who you feel are ignorant and xenophobic because we expect that our most coveted jobs be given to natural born citizens of the USA first. The nerve of you people!!:angryfire

 

[ex j-41]

American's in Mexico

we expect that our most coveted jobs be given to natural born citizens

Dude there are american's all over the world. Getting hired all over the world
flying in China, Japan, even russia. Get over yourself thinking that the only
immigration in the world takes place here.
Worried about the Mexican's moving in? What about the Mexican's worried
about Americans? Do you have any idea how many companied have moved
to Mexico because of free trade?
General Motors, VW, Honeywell, sony, Nissan, General Electric etc...
They are in Mexico because of the lack of labor laws......low low low
enviromental laws.
My point is, is that there are American's in every country in the world, doing
just about any job. You could move to England if you wanted to.
You just have to go through all the SAME immigration process that
foreigners have to do here.
But you would need courage and strength to pack up and move half way
around the world. Do YOU have what it takes?

 

[Beech_boy]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the EU have a policy of only allowing outsiders to work at a job if there are no qualified candidates from the specific country, and then from the entire EU?

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Guys, as we've all been told on here a thousand times....it's not that we U.S. pilot's cannot go over to the EU to fly, it's just that none of us American pilots are smart enought to pass those tough written exams that they have over there in the EU.

I for one bow down to our far superior neighbors to the east (right after I throw up)

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the EU have a policy of only allowing outsiders to work at a job if there are no qualified candidates from the specific country, and then from the entire EU?

No different to the US. You can try and sponsor someone for a job here but you have to jump through many hoops and prove that there is no suitably qualified people here to do the job then they will get a TEMPORY visa to work.

Getting the right to live / work in the US is no different and just as hard if you tried for Europe or the rest of the world. Europe has the same immigration problems as the US with the former eastern block countries being the "Mexicans" of Europe, the far east have the Chinese.

If you want to work in Europe (or any where else) you have to be prepared to get off your @ss and do some major foot work, just as those willing to come here. There is nothing stopping you. Or you could just marry someone and get in that way.

It is narrow minded to sit and think that the US is an open door, it's not in more ways than you might think.

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Guys, as we've all been told on here a thousand times....it's not that we U.S. pilot's cannot go over to the EU to fly, it's just that none of us American pilots are smart enought to pass those tough written exams that they have over there in the EU.quote]

Most would never be able to pass the exams in any case! Yes I have overseas licenses and having had the US ATP first, I found that that in NO way prepared you for writting anyone elses licenses. Sad but the US exams are pretty much a joke when it comes to a knowledge base. Thats why a lot of countries don't recognise the FAA license.

 

[ex j-41]

Yes

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the EU have a policy of only allowing outsiders to work at a job if there are no qualified candidates from the specific country, and then from the entire EU?

That is partly correct.
There are many ways to get a work permit in England or the EU.
They mirror the USA's immigration policy.

The USA also has the same policy. IF there are not enough workers in a
particular sector then companies are free to look elsewhere. The rules
are quite clear on how they prove that no Americans are available for the
job.

But that is just one of many ways to immigrate to England.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Most would never be able to pass the exams in any case! Yes I have overseas licenses and having had the US ATP first, I found that that in NO way prepared you for writting anyone elses licenses. Sad but the US exams are pretty much a joke when it comes to a knowledge base. Thats why a lot of countries don't recognise the FAA license.

Do you really think that is why "a lot of countries" don't recongnise the FAA license? Come on now. SO tell us then, why is it to so many pilot's come over here to do their simulator training? And why would they if their country wouldn't recognise it? And how many Boeing or Airbus F/O's do you see over here in the U.S. with 500 hours total time? NONE. But hey, I am sure all those passengers over in the EU would take comfort in the fact that while thier co-pilot only has 500 hours....he did take a very hard written exam...oh, and he did stay at a Holiday Inn last night too.

 

[twott driver]

How is it ignorant and xenophobic for us to expect that with the over abundance of pilot candidates we have in this country, that we would give preference to our own natural born citizens?

And I have to listen to people like you whine and belly ache about people like me who you feel are ignorant and xenophobic because we expect that our most coveted jobs be given to natural born citizens of the USA first. The nerve of you people!!:angryfire

Let me guess..................

You've never been west of the Alabama State line?

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Do you really think that is why "a lot of countries" don't recongnise the FAA license? Come on now. SO tell us then, why is it to so many pilot's come over here to do their simulator training? And why would they if their country wouldn't recognise it?

Because the sim rates are far cheaper, lodging also BUT they are tested to their contries standards with appointed examiners not with FAA examiners. I did DC8 sim in the US for exactly those reasons even though our approved sim course was 6 seasons more than the ones offered for the US rating.

I am not necessarily saying the US system is inferior, but overseas requirements are more intense and cover a lot more material.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

yes I know, I used to teach JAA clients at a part 142 training center. SO I know JAA training rules quite well. What makes JAA a pain isnt the level of instruction, it's the paper work. Trust me, I no longer complain about the FAA processes.

 

[pipejockey]

Dude there are american's all over the world. Getting hired all over the world
flying in China, Japan, even russia.

There are not enough qualified pilots in those countries to meet demand. If there were furloughed Chinese, Russian, Japanese pilots in their own countries, they wouldn't be hiring us.

Worried about the Mexican's moving in? What about the Mexican's worried
about Americans? Do you have any idea how many companied have moved
to Mexico because of free trade?
General Motors, VW, Honeywell, sony, Nissan, General Electric etc...
They are in Mexico because of the lack of labor laws......low low low
enviromental laws.

And this fact upsets the Mexicans? Come on man, I shouldn't have to explain this. The Mexicans LOVE the US companies that relocate over there and provide them some good jobs by Mexican standards. Everyone is happy except the US worker who is shafted out of his job and pension by NAFTA which has been a huge failure for the people of the USA, and a windfall for the foreigners.

But you would need courage and strength to pack up and move half way
around the world. Do YOU have what it takes?

NO!! And why would I want to? It would be like moving from the "deeelux apartment in the sky" to the projects!

Now go make dinner weezie!

 

[federico]

Ignorance and more Ignorance. What if every American Overseas came back to the USA and took your 22/H Barbie Jet Job. Flying Jobs are just like ************************* you have to know were to look for it. The only point that i do agree on is according to mexican law only mexican born can fly in mexico even if you are legal naturalized Citizen. In that case they shoulld not aloud to fly out side of mexico.

 

[pipejockey]

Ignorance and more Ignorance. What if every American Overseas came back to the USA and took your 22/H Barbie Jet Job.

Why does everyone think I fly an RJ? Try reading the prfile and maybe you'd see I don't!

 

[Beech_boy]

hard workin 'mericans

If even one hard workin 'merican pilot is on furlough no pilot from anywhere else should be able to get a job here as a pilot. simple.

 

[1013dot25hPa]

Beech Boy, go fly your Gulfstream B1900. Your showing your ignorance!

 

[8AF]

And I have to listen to people like you whine and belly ache about people like me who you feel are ignorant and xenophobic because we expect that our most coveted jobs be given to natural born citizens of the USA first. The nerve of you people!!:angryfire

Why should natural born citizens be given priority?
Hiring decision should be based on ability and merits.
That's why we have sim evaluation and knowledge test in interviews.

An immigrant pilot

 

[8AF]

pipejockey and beech_boy:
I certainly don't feel guilty taking the "most coveted jobs" from your fellow natural born citizens.
My family came on an enterpreneur visa, which means we have made significant investment in this country and have to create jobs for US citizens.
It just show your ignorance to stereotype.

 

[Beech_boy]

So to the last two posters; Can a pilot from the US go get a job in your country? For that matter, what are the rules for someone from the US to get any job in your countries? Almost every other country in the world will not allow outsiders to come in and take jobs unless there are no natives to fill them. Europe does this, as do most other countries. We should have the same rules here that other countries have.