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I hear 47 total....We'll see in the morn. Mamma, Sorry that the Co, ALPA, MEC, & fellow pilots let you down! I'll continue to fight the fight for you!

Baja.
 
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Coming from the wife of an Alaska pilot who is barely hanging on to a job.....I am just floored at how selfish so many people at this airline are. I get it that there were reasons for voting down this MOU. The people who voted based on what they read and had valid reasons for it, great. It's the a..holes that saw no more VSA, etc, etc, and didn't read anything past that. I think it is a bunch of ******************** that there are so many pilots out there picking up trips to build their lines up. It's a bunch of crap that these people who shouldn't even still be flying are doing VSA trips. Way to screw the younger guys. Oh wait, I forgot, it's the price you pay as an airline pilot and we should just deal with it. Screw you!! I am really sorry for those pilots that are on the street or about to be put on the street. It's so sad to me that this doesn't even have to happen. Suck it up and drop your lines down to 75 for a few months and see what happens. Yes, it would be hard to lose a little bit of money---I know that. Try losing your entire paycheck for the next....well who knows for how long. Again, i'm not pist off about the fact that this didn't pass, i'm pist off because there never should have been an MOU because there never should have been any furloughs to begin with. Oh, and yes, money is tight for us, but we do donate to the furloughed pilot fund every month. Do you? Thanks for letting me vent. The wife of an Alaska pilot who is wondering what our future holds.
 
msmb said:
Coming from the wife of an Alaska pilot who is barely hanging on to a job.....I am just floored at how selfish so many people at this airline are. I get it that there were reasons for voting down this MOU. The people who voted based on what they read and had valid reasons for it, great. It's the a..holes that saw no more VSA, etc, etc, and didn't read anything past that. I think it is a bunch of ******************** that there are so many pilots out there picking up trips to build their lines up. It's a bunch of crap that these people who shouldn't even still be flying are doing VSA trips. Way to screw the younger guys. Oh wait, I forgot, it's the price you pay as an airline pilot and we should just deal with it. Screw you!! I am really sorry for those pilots that are on the street or about to be put on the street. It's so sad to me that this doesn't even have to happen. Suck it up and drop your lines down to 75 for a few months and see what happens. Yes, it would be hard to lose a little bit of money---I know that. Try losing your entire paycheck for the next....well who knows for how long. Again, i'm not pist off about the fact that this didn't pass, i'm pist off because there never should have been an MOU because there never should have been any furloughs to begin with. Oh, and yes, money is tight for us, but we do donate to the furloughed pilot fund every month. Do you? Thanks for letting me vent. The wife of an Alaska pilot who is wondering what our future holds.
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I agree. My negative endorsement of the CBA last spring was based solely on the fact that we did not get furlough protection and strong scope. (There is no guarentee we would have an agreement as of today, but IMO those to items are work striking for) FACT: We are in a mid-term negotiation and who knows what angle they will try next. Contract 2009 is a failure in that it allows the company to use furlough, E-190's, and other items to collect mid-term concessions. This was ALA ALPA's first negotiated contract in 30 yrs and there is a learning curve... WE HAVE TO DO BETTER NEXT TIME.

Assuming 47 is the magic number... heard it from the same source as BAJA, I will remain a bottom dweller but ready for round 3. As I always have, I will fight for every pilot who has a name on the Alaska Airlines senority list to make them whole. We are 1 pilot group... not 1400 pilots.
 
I'm so glad this thing didn't pass! We really showed management this time. Plus, now I can manipulate my schedule just a little bit better, and build my line up a little bit to pay for my Super Cub, Cabin, and snow machines, etc., etc. I really do think it is bad that management wants to furlough so many guys, but there is really nothing I could have done about that.......


Jeeesh...

My sympathies to the FAMILIES that have to deal with this SELFISHNESS. I'm sorry.

Disgusting
 
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Looks like the NEW bid post date is now the 10th. Must have just changed it since it said the 7th up until about a hour ago. What BS!!
 
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Looks like the NEW bid post date is now the 10th. Must have just changed it since it said the 7th up until about a hour ago. What BS!!
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Are you sure you didn't read the original bid post date...and not the results date...the date still says 08/07/09.
 
igneousy2 said:
Are you sure you didn't read the original bid post date...and not the results date...the date still says 08/07/09.
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During the call in re: the MOU Shivers said the bid would be posted today (Sat the 8th.) Still nothing as of this morning. Not surprised. Flying w/ a post 60, MOU no voter....It's been great (insert sarcasm here.) He's staying until 'maybe' May of next year....A$$!!!!!

Baja.
 
Bid results just published on the pilot website... 52 more FOs furloughed.

Most junior FO is #1343 with a hire date of 11/27/2006.
 
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wscrj,

I'm so sorry. All I can do is to keep contributing to SK's fund.
If they decide to do a 3rd round, I'll be joining you.

Good luck.

Baze
 
Just out of curiosity, has any other pilot group actually voted to NOT save guys from furlough, or is this the biggest bunch of selfish pussies in ALPA history?
 
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Wally said:
I'm in the bottom 10%. I voted NO.

My reasons:
1-Eliminating 2nd step for no apparent reason other than to exert their will on us.
2-While guaranteeing the mitigation of current forecast furloughs, there is no guarantee of future furloughs (say the one they'd announce for Nov. 1.)
3-If my #2 concern comes true, ALPA will be put in a corner. ALPA can choose to exit the program (feeling we've been duped) which management will use to say ALPA is exacerbating the problem and thus creating the need for more furloughs (and more vitrol from junior members.)
4-It still allows pilots to fly to FAR limits through VSA and premium trips (at straight pay). If this MOU passes, the company could conceivably mark every trip a premium trip, thereby allowing anyone to fly over the monthly max.

I'd prefer we actually negotiate a program mutually. If that isn't an option, we need to enforce ourselves as has been suggested by others.

Fire away,
Wally
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I'll start.
Wally, it's dip$hit thinking like yours that is the ruin of us all. You are making decisions based on speculation, conspiracy theory, and fear mongering by an MEC chair that loves to tell you that he's "playing poker" with his constituent's livliehoods and families. Well, guess what, they weren't bluffing. Good thing they avoided being put in that hypothetical corner, eh?
While your spinning all sorts of fantasy scenario possibilities, you (and the rest of you losers) have completely disregarded FACT. Why do you hate fact so? Did you even read the MOU? Were there too many big words?
FACT - There would have been 30 less names on the list today.
FACT - No matter what happened in the future, at the absolute worst case, the temporary inconvenience to the half of the guys that actually benefit from second step; as well as the ability to undermine their fellow pilots by picking up VSA, would be over in a little over a year. That's worst case, of course. If your 100% hypothetical scenarios played out, it would almost assuredly have ended much sooner.
FACT - This pilot group just did the most shameful thing I have ever seen a pilot group do and I will never forget it. I can't fully put into words the contempt I have for you bitches. 30 Families and you didn't even try. Couldn't suck up pilot-to-pilot trades for a few months to help 30 Families. :angryfire What, in the name of Christ, is wrong with you?
 
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I'll start.
Wally, it's dip$hit thinking like yours that is the ruin of us all. You are making decisions based on speculation, conspiracy theory, and fear mongering by an MEC chair that loves to tell you that he's "playing poker" with his constituent's livliehoods and families. Well, guess what, they weren't bluffing. Good thing they avoided being put in that hypothetical corner, eh?
While your spinning all sorts of fantasy scenario possibilities, you (and the rest of you losers) have completely disregarded FACT. Why do you hate fact so? Did you even read the MOU? Were there too many big words?
FACT - There would have been 30 less names on the list today.
FACT - No matter what happened in the future, at the absolute worst case, the temporary inconvenience to the half of the guys that actually benefit from second step; as well as the ability to undermine their fellow pilots by picking up VSA, would be over in a little over a year. That's worst case, of course. If your 100% hypothetical scenarios played out, it would almost assuredly have ended much sooner.
FACT - This pilot group just did the most shameful thing I have ever seen a pilot group do and I will never forget it. I can't fully put into words the contempt I have for you bitches. Looks to me like you did a great job putting into words what you think of these pu$$ies. 30 Families and you didn't even try. Couldn't suck up pilot-to-pilot trades for a few months to help 30 Families. :angryfire What, in the name of Christ, is wrong with you?
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Perfect. I am going to frame your post and hang it on my wall. Beautifully said. This is one sorry pilot group.
 
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I'll summarize:

Senior/VSA guy: "It's more important for me to make some extra money than it is for you to make any money"
 
Great, let the name calling and the bitching begin. My heart goes out to those who are/will be furloughed. As long as my finances allow, we will continue to donate to the furlough fund. I honestly do feel your pain, but some of you guys are way out of line. You know who you are. It wasn't just the VSAers and greedy bastages who voted NO for this MOU. I had my reasons and just because one voted NO doesn't make him/her selfish or an idiot. You guys are creating a bad name for the rest of the furloughed folks. Yal'll sound like you are from the "I am entitled" juvenile generation. Geez!

Let me ask you this... how many of you voted for the TA? Like someone said before, I told you so!
 
I know we're not supposed to throw around the "scab" word lightly.

That said, I think the VSAers are in a similar vein and the furloughed guys feel like they're on strike.

Imagine the frustration we feel, being forced out of a job and then seeing others making 150% off of flying we would gladly be doing.

These VScAbs won - and most on the furlough list probably feel like it was through a misreading of the MOU.
 
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I call that one a close one... don't you think Baze, Baja...
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About as close as you get. I was the last on property in 02' for my last furlough. Time to shop for a parka, snow shoes, crampons & a 'new' awd car. Gotta love (read hate) this industry! See ya @ the ice fishing hole!!

Baja.
 
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Great, let the name calling and the bitching begin. My heart goes out to those who are/will be furloughed. As long as my finances allow, we will continue to donate to the furlough fund. I honestly do feel your pain, but some of you guys are way out of line. You know who you are. It wasn't just the VSAers and greedy bastages who voted NO for this MOU. I had my reasons and just because one voted NO doesn't make him/her selfish or an idiot. You guys are creating a bad name for the rest of the furloughed folks. Yal'll sound like you are from the "I am entitled" juvenile generation. Geez!

Let me ask you this... how many of you voted for the TA? Like someone said before, I told you so!
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You can try to spin it however you want but like it or not, actions speak louder than words. When guys and gals are looking at losing their houses and moving in with the inlaws they are going to be understandably emotional and frustrated. Then to have a glimmer of hope that is squashed not by the company they know is two-faced but by their peers who were supposed to stand by them in unity, its hard to see it any way but that they were sold out. I'm not trying to justify name calling but simply pointing out how people feel out there.
 
If I was getting cut I would burn my sick leave and take the next month off looking for a job/taking care of my affairs. Then when the Company has no reserves next month we can all get some satisfaction when the company has to cancel a ton of flights due to no crews/reserves. You only loose 2.5 hours a day on reserve I think so you won't loose that much sick leave for when you come back. Which I hope is soon! I voted for you!
 
Ih8AFYesmen said:
Great, let the name calling and the bitching begin. My heart goes out to those who are/will be furloughed. As long as my finances allow, we will continue to donate to the furlough fund. I honestly do feel your pain, but some of you guys are way out of line. You know who you are. It wasn't just the VSAers and greedy bastages who voted NO for this MOU. I had my reasons and just because one voted NO doesn't make him/her selfish or an idiot. You guys are creating a bad name for the rest of the furloughed folks. Yal'll sound like you are from the "I am entitled" juvenile generation. Geez!

Let me ask you this... how many of you voted for the TA? Like someone said before, I told you so!
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Alright. Maybe names should not have been called but really, the MOU is not the main issue. It is that the MOU should never seen the light of day. If this pilot group would have been acting like a union and not flying max lines and VSA then this MOU/furlough would not even be a topic of discussion. Our union is a bunch of individuals doing what is good for only the individual. Not everyone is like that but there are enough that crap like this gets to happen. Look how lame the group is in regards to S.K. furlough fund for example. Who has the power if we dropped to min guarantee for a month or two? I guess you would need some caring and unity for that to ever happen. I have heard enough guys say that being furloughed is a part of life for the airline pilot (although they are nowhere near the crosshairs).
 

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