Are the Frontier pilots happy?

[USMC319]

You probably flew at Great Lakes for a whole year and then walked onto an airbus!!!! Boy, you really paid your dues??? Do a little research before you run your mouth, geek! Your'e giving the Good people at F9 a bad name!uke:

Not sure what Mojito's background is, but in terms of paying dues to fly the Airbus at Frontier, it doesn't matter where you came from. What DOES matter is that every F9 pilot that flies an Airbus has been vetted by, in most cases, a very thurough and tough selection process. From 9/11 until summer of '08 Frontier was one of the destination airlines to work for. Thousands of applications were parsed through to find the right stuff, and once hired it was one of the best jobs in all of aviation on most levels.

The frustration you see now is, by the stroke of a pen, thousands of regional pilots bypassed this sacred "right of passage" on the seniority list. And in the worst case scenerio (from an F9 perspective) these regional pilots who were given this seniority windfall will reap the benefit at the expense of the Frontier pilots whom worked so hard to get here. That is the frustration you see, not personal disgust for any individual pilot, although some of the young novice pilots at RAH are testing that theory.

 

[trainer8]

Not sure what Mojito's background is, but in terms of paying dues to fly the Airbus at Frontier, it doesn't matter where you came from. What DOES matter is that every F9 pilot that flies an Airbus has been vetted by, in most cases, a very thurough and tough selection process. From 9/11 until summer of '08 Frontier was one of the destination airlines to work for. Thousands of applications were parsed through to find the right stuff, and once hired it was one of the best jobs in all of aviation on most levels.

The frustration you see now is, by the stroke of a pen, thousands of regional pilots bypassed this sacred "right of passage" on the seniority list. And in the worst case scenerio (from an F9 perspective) these regional pilots who were given this seniority windfall will reap the benefit at the expense of the Frontier pilots whom worked so hard to get here. That is the frustration you see, not personal disgust for any individual pilot, although some of the young novice pilots at RAH are testing that theory.

Apparently, spelling wasn't high on the vetting process.

 

[USMC319]

Apparently, spelling wasn't high on the vetting process.

There is always one dolt that totally misses the point and instead chooses to make an idiotic barb (especially when it comes to spelling and grammer). Thanks for exposing yourself today trainer8!! All other nitwits need not apply.

 

[trainer8]

There is always one dolt that totally misses the point and instead chooses to make an idiotic barb (especially when it comes to spelling and grammer). Thanks for exposing yourself today trainer8!! All other nitwits need not apply.

Apparently, neither was thin skin, huh?. Ease up there, Ace. It's just a message board.

And, btw, it's g-r-a-m-m-a-r...grammar. (Dooh!....sorry, couldn't help it.)

 

[USMC319]

Case and point.

 

[Cardinal]

You probably flew at Great Lakes for a whole year and then walked onto an airbus!!!! Boy, you really paid your dues???

Yup, some Frontier Pilots came from Great Lakes. I did 6 years there. We were the ones who could pass upgrade. The one's who couldn't - they went to Republic. Give me the initials of one pilot who was able to upgrade at Lakes before sulking off to RAH. I can attest that you won't find one in at least the last 9 years.

 

[Toobdrvr]

Couldn't pass a checkride in a 1900? Wow, that's sad. Superior airmen indeed. Where I came from (8 years before going to F9), we flew them single pilot. The Metro, too.

Yeah, 8 years of single-pilot 135 cargo in the mountains. No dues paid here...

After 9/11, we got quite a few regional pukes (furloughs). Most of 'em were gone inside of 6 months...

 

[FSIGRAD]

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[Toobdrvr]

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Good thing you edited THAT...

 

[ChinaClipper]

In the past month I have flown with two USAF U-2 Drivers......do they need some time in a little jet to get some experience? BTW I didn't get hired at GL, I was told by Buddah that I had "...too much confidence..." That was nearly 20 years ago, back when many "experts" here were still sharting in Diapers and fascinated by shiny things....

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Boy, this is a championship thread...

 

[The Drizzle]

This place can't go out of business fast enough.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Ghost,

If you think I flew at GL then you've missed my whole point. I wouldn't work for GL for the same reason I wouldn't work at RAH (by choice). But, given your career choices, you wouldn't have a clue about what I'm talking about. Obviously, the only one who needs to "do a little research" is you. I don't know who is spreading this "everyone at F9 worked at GL for a year then went to F9" rumor, but since you believe that, it's not surprising you also believe the BS that the IBT feeds you. "Do a little research" and you'll discover that the vast majority of F9 pilots DID NOT work at GL. Are there some who did work there for a year before coming to Frontier? I'm sure there are, but they are very, very few. You don't want to hear that, though, because it's easier to justify working at a s**ty regional when you convince yourself that "everybody" does it. The ugly truth is not everybody goes to work at a sh**ty regional--some CAN and DO get hired at regionals with decent work rules and pay. But, again, given your career choices, you would't have a clue about that. As far as me "hitting on chicks", well, I guess you've just proven my point even more. Most F9 pilots are mature MEN who have left such idiocies behind, along with their backpacks, spiked hair, and their constant need to brag about being a pilot.

Tell you what, Ghost, grow up a bit, stop being so naive, then come back and post something somewhat intelligent. And, for the record, what I post on this forum is strictly my opinion, and not that of the "Good people at F9", so how could I be giving anyone a bad name? Using your 5th grade logic, everyone at RAH is an idiot because your post is so idiotic. Doesn't make sense does it? Leave the "Good people of F9" out of this--if they have something to say, they will say it. They don't need me to be a spokesman for them. Got it?

Haha. I just realized that someone with 640 posts is telling me to spend less time on this forum. I had to edit my post to add this because that is classic (and not in a good way like two of my cars).

Sai,
I bet your'e a joy to fly with!!!!! Just go shine your boots after your'e done combing the high school parking lots!!!!:0 BTW, what's this all mighty regional that you worked for????

 

[Little Mojito]

Interesting, Ghost. Not a single retort to anything I wrote. Nope, not one. Just a lame attempt at sarcasm. I should have known I was wasting my time replying (point by point, I might add) to your post. By the way, the whole "I bet your'e(sic) a joy to fly with!!!!!" is so over used on this forum, maybe not with five!!!!! exclamation points and misspellings, but still way over used. Thanks, though, for only using five exclamation points, because six of them might have actually hurt my feelings. Geesh!

 

[Grey Ghost]

That is because you ran on for three paragraphs and didn't provide one interesting thought! The point is, you rightfully bash the rates we currently fly for but probably have no idea why they are what they are? Forgive me, I didn't know that F9 had an industry leading Airbus payscale? I will tell you something that your coworkers have been trying to tell you, but you dont catch on. You are obviously a complete tool and your coworkers dread working a trip with you!

 

[Bolo]

That is because you ran on for three paragraphs and didn't provide one interesting thought! The point is, you rightfully bash the rates we currently fly for but probably have no idea why they are what they are? Forgive me, I didn't know that F9 had an industry leading Airbus payscale? I will tell you something that your coworkers have been trying to tell you, but you dont catch on. You are obviously a complete tool and your coworkers dread working a trip with you!

I am sorry for butting in the skirmish but I cannot resist. First, have you flown with Little Mojito? How do you know that his/her coworkers dread flying with him/her? Pretty moronic statement to say the least!

Second, our Airbus rates are not industry leading but they are pretty respectable. Now I want you to tell me the same about your rates? Please keep a straight face and convince that your pay rates are respectable.
Right! Enough said!
I am not going to go through the mud slinging but please bring some kind of game to the table.

 

[Grey Ghost]

I am sorry for butting in the skirmish but I cannot resist. First, have you flown with Little Mojito? How do you know that his/her coworkers dread flying with him/her? Pretty moronic statement to say the least!

Second, our Airbus rates are not industry leading but they are pretty respectable. Now I want you to tell me the same about your rates? Please keep a straight face and convince that your pay rates are respectable.
Right! Enough said!
I am not going to go through the mud slinging but please bring some kind of game to the table.

Bolo,
I NEVER once said that our rates were respectable in the least!!!! They are a complete joke but I am not the one running my mouth on here like your butt buddy who has no idea why they are what they currently are! if you can read, I actually said that he "rightfully" bashed them. The whole operation is a complete disgrace to the profession! You act like people are proud of working at RAH. People are so burned out from being beaten down by management that nobody cares anymore, except for the lifers. Read the post before you put your two cents in, moron!!!:nuts:

 

[Bolo]

Grey Ghost quote"Butt Buddy." Your sophomoric behavior is what gives your group a black eye. Please tell me you do not represent the RAH group as whole. Grow up YOUNG man.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Good one! :erm:

 

[USMC319]

Hey Bolo,
The sad part is that according to the Ghost's profile, he's not one of the guys that just bounced out of ERAU or UND to get some time and move on. RAH doesnt attract many career pilots so the high time ones usually are unhirable anywhere else or semi-retired and dont give a darn. All you can hope for is that the NMB is not quite as insane as Eischen, otherwise you may get to fly with the Ghost after seven years and find out if that "butt buddy" thing is a fetish of his or not. Hahaha!

 

[Bolo]

Hey Bolo,
The sad part is that according to the Ghost's profile, he's not one of the guys that just bounced out of ERAU or UND to get some time and move on. RAH doesnt attract many career pilots so the high time ones usually are unhirable anywhere else or semi-retired and dont give a darn. All you can hope for is that the NMB is not quite as insane as Eischen, otherwise you may get to fly with the Ghost after seven years and find out if that "butt buddy" thing is a fetish of his or not. Hahaha!

Nice!!!!

 

[Little Mojito]

Ghost,

In every reply so far, you resort to personal attacks. There can only be one reason--your arguments have no merit and, as a result, you must default to such pettiness. It's so sad I almost feel bad that I'm keeping this going because I know you will post another response that will further just how immature you are. But, just as with my 4 year-old, I know I shouldn't argue with a mind that's still developing, but sometimes I can't help myself. You say I don't know why your rates are what they are, but I'm pretty sure I do. You see, you have a contract, therefore the reason your rates suck is because THAT'S WHAT YOU NEGOTIATED! You could have made a stand with the E190, but you didnt. What that tells me is that your rates suck because you're willing to let them suck. You act as if RAH has just recently become such a bad place to work--as if it was a great place to work when you got hired there. I can assure you it wasn't. Face it, you knew that RAH sucked when you applied and got hired, but you still took the job. What does that say about you? You stated that "The whole [RAH] operation is a complete disgrace to the profession!" as if just stating it makes it okay to be a part of. In other words, you are the reason this profession is declining so quickly. I appreciate you being so candid, even if that wasn't your intent. I'm sorry you can't find anything interesting in any of the things I've written, although I think it's more the case that you REFUSE to see anything of interest so that you can keep justifying your career choices. That's what they are--choices. No one forced you to work at RAH, it was your choice. Now, I don't know the reason you made that choice and there might even be some justifiable reasons to have to make that choice, but in none of my posts did I write anything that isn't true. I didn't resort to personal attacks on you. I just laid out the facts, which were appearantlly too much for you to deal with. Is F9 perfect? No, far from it. If you were to give me a valid criticism, I'd own up to it and not try to make excuses. Bottom line is your job is essentially the same as mine, so why such a huge disparity when it comes to pay and work rules? Look in the mirror and you'll find your answer.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Ghost,

In every reply so far, you resort to personal attacks. There can only be one reason--your arguments have no merit and, as a result, you must default to such pettiness. It's so sad I almost feel bad that I'm keeping this going because I know you will post another response that will further just how immature you are. But, just as with my 4 year-old, I know I shouldn't argue with a mind that's still developing, but sometimes I can't help myself. You say I don't know why your rates are what they are, but I'm pretty sure I do. You see, you have a contract, therefore the reason your rates suck is because THAT'S WHAT YOU NEGOTIATED! You could have made a stand with the E190, but you didnt. What that tells me is that your rates suck because you're willing to let them suck. You act as if RAH has just recently become such a bad place to work--as if it was a great place to work when you got hired there. I can assure you it wasn't. Face it, you knew that RAH sucked when you applied and got hired, but you still took the job. What does that say about you? You stated that "The whole [RAH] operation is a complete disgrace to the profession!" as if just stating it makes it okay to be a part of. In other words, you are the reason this profession is declining so quickly. I appreciate you being so candid, even if that wasn't your intent. I'm sorry you can't find anything interesting in any of the things I've written, although I think it's more the case that you REFUSE to see anything of interest so that you can keep justifying your career choices. That's what they are--choices. No one forced you to work at RAH, it was your choice. Now, I don't know the reason you made that choice and there might even be some justifiable reasons to have to make that choice, but in none of my posts did I write anything that isn't true. I didn't resort to personal attacks on you. I just laid out the facts, which were appearantlly too much for you to deal with. Is F9 perfect? No, far from it. If you were to give me a valid criticism, I'd own up to it and not try to make excuses. Bottom line is your job is essentially the same as mine, so why such a huge disparity when it comes to pay and work rules? Look in the mirror and you'll find your answer.

First off, Loser!
Over half the company wasn't even around when the current contract was signed. By the way, what airplanes was RAH flying when it was in fact, signed? Turboprops. How long has the current contract been expired? These are all things that you maybe don't know or fail to take into consideration during your lame rants. You have no idea what you are talking about and are just a bitter person. Again, what was this regional that you worked for that is so great?

 

[Bolo]

First off, Loser!
Over half the company wasn't even around when the current contract was signed. By the way, what airplanes was RAH flying when it was in fact, signed? Turboprops. How long has the current contract been expired? These are all things that you maybe don't know or fail to take into consideration during your lame rants. You have no idea what you are talking about and are just a bitter person. Again, what was this regional that you worked for that is so great?

WOW! I am speechless. No more neuron wasting for me.

 

[Little Mojito]

So I guess since your excuse is that RAH was flying turboprops when the contract was signed, that means you should just live with it. United, Continental, Delta, et al, should pay all their pilots based on their contracts from way back when they flew DC3s or earlier, eh? Why is it that when they got new aircraft they negotiated new pay for said aircraft? Have you? No. That's my point. But go ahead and keep making excuses--whatever let's you sleep at night. Just like calling me bitter. It's far from the truth, but I'm sure it does wonders for your self-esteem. So go ahead, keep flinging those personal attacks, maybe after a while you'll have enough self respect to fight for what you deserve. Oh, and I agree with Bolo--I'm done wasting my time on you, Ghost.

 

[Grey Ghost]

We were negotiating for the past 3.5 years but then that all came to a screeching halt when we decided to buy a bankrupt airline that nobody else wanted! Do you forget that? Talk about getting your facts straight? :uzi:

 

[Grey Ghost]

Does anyone hear crickets?

 

[The Drizzle]

Does anyone hear crickets?

I hear you being in need of shutting the ******************** up.

 

[clr4theapch]

Ok gentelmen... this has been a wonderful discussion... but lets tone down the attacks please before it gets in my red zone... discussion is one thing, but adding enuedo's only leads to more bombs being lobbed...

Moderator warning to tone it down.. thanks clr4

 

[Grey Ghost]

OK, no problem! Enough is enough and I apologize gentlemen!