Appears to be a citation down in carlsbad, ca

[LAFrequentflyer]

The first is to define "stabilized.". Where I work we define stabilized as on-speed, configured, in-trim, spooled with a rate of decent less than 1000 fpm at 1000 feet agl. In visual conditions the on-speed, spooled and in-trim parameters can be delayed until 500 feet agl provided the PF (pilot flying) announces the unstabilized condition thereby acknowledging it and his intent to be stabilized by 500 feet agl. Absent any one parameter a go-around occurs (or should) no questions asked. Now the "no questions asked" takes us to the second condition necessary to eliminate unstabilized approaches as a cause of accidents and that is culture. Flight operations management must state a live the axiom that a go-around is an excercise in good judgement rather than an admission of error. Period. This frees the troops out there where the rubber meets the road to use the judgement for which they are paid.


Sir / Ma'a,

Well said...I have often pushed a bad approach to landing thinking if i didn't it would be seen as a failure...Your words hit a bone and I know I need to change a bad attitude before it gets me hurt or killed.

Sincerely,
LA

 

[SKYW Pilot]

The winds have been coming out of the east the past day or two. CRQ is a very short runway and doesn't take kindly to being unstablized. I've been in and out of there many times. Who knows.... maybe they had some kind of mechanical failure, but chances are they landed too fast and too long with a little bit of a tailwind. Feel sorry for the poor passengers who were just along for the ride.

 

[joe_pilot]

First and foremost my thoughts go out to the families and friends of the crew and passengers.

I'm not sure how much faith I would put into flightaware's info on this flight. There was something weird going on with the data. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N86CE/tracklog. From 0926 until 0932 there were several obvious errors. Not sure if this is 'normal' for flightaware, but I checked my flight this morning and all the data looked good. Unfortunately, with the eyewitness reports and the sad result...

Back to the main point once again, I offer my sympathies to the friends and families of N86CE.

Fly Safe.

-JP

 

[FN FAL]

CRQ is a very short runway and doesn't take kindly to being unstablized.

Unstabilized runways are the worst, they're down right jiggy.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Carrying extra speed isn't necessarily unwarranted.

What??

If your doing over 200 kts at 300 feet you'd better be "leaving" the runway and not landing on it.

 

[ultrarunner]

Anyone know who the plane was registered to?

Goship Air LLC out of Idaho.

 

[Ill Mitch]

Unstabilized runways are the worst, they're down right jiggy.

That describes CRQ's runway to a tee.

 

[Annie]

I did a quick Google search on pax Frank Jellinek. There is someone with his name, who looks like him, who liked to compete in pro/am race car competitions. I wonder if that has some relationship to the speed on approach?

 

[Guitar rocker]

I did a quick Google search on pax Frank Jellinek. There is someone with his name, who looks like him, who liked to compete in pro/am race car competitions. I wonder if that has some relationship to the speed on approach?

Annie, c'mon. This was in poor taste. Get real chk!

 

[avbug]

What??

If your doing over 200 kts at 300 feet you'd better be "leaving" the runway and not landing on it.

And to the others who made smart comments as well...I didn't say 200 knots was an appropriate speed at all. SoCal has been getting strong winds for a couple of days, and what I did say is that in windy or gusty conditions, extra speed isn't unwarranted.

We do not know his speed on approach, nor do we know more than four are dead, neither did I speculate further about the matter.

 

[urflyingme?!]

This will provide just another reason for those nuts down there to try and restrict that airport...

 

[Annie]

Guitar Rocker:

When did trying to understand the human factors involved in an aircraft trajedy, require one to "get real" (whatever that means)? Excuse me, but I happen to know, that many scientists consider the possibility of systemic relationships--be they human, or mechanical an essential factor in the equation.

 

[414Flyer]

When did trying to understand the human factors involved in an aircraft trajedy, require one to "get real" (whatever that means)? Excuse me, but I happen to know, that many scientists consider the possibility of systemic relationships--be they human, or mechanical an essential factor in the equation.

The possible occupation of race car driver for passenger might be a factor in the crews approach speed?????

Care to try and explain this one?

 

[FN FAL]

That describes CRQ's runway to a tee.

KILGORE: "It's hairy. Got some pretty heavy ordnance there. I lost a few recon ships there now and again. Is that goddang village Vin Drin Dop or Lop ? dang gook names all sound the same. Mike, do you know anything about that point at Vin Drin Dop ?"

MIKE: "That's a fantastic peak. "

KILGORE: "Peak ?"

MIKE: "About six feet. It got both the long right with left slide.
It's unbelieveable, it's just Tube City..."

KILGORE: " Well why the hell didn't you tell me that before ? There aren't any good peaks in this whole, shootty country. It's all goddang beach break."

MIKE: "It's really hairy in there,sir. That's where we lost McDonnel...they shot the hell out of us. That's...Charlie's point."

WILLARD: "Sir, we can go there tomorrow at dawn. There's always
a good off-shore breeze in the morning."

CHIEF: "We may not be able to get the boat in. The river may be too
shallow."

KILGORE: " We'll pick your boat up and put it down like a baby, right
where you want it. This is First of the Ninth, Air Cav,son- airmobile.
I can take that point and hold it as long as I like -- and you can
get anywhere you want up that river that suits you, young captain.
Hell, a six foot peak.

You take a gunship back to division -- Mike, take Lance with you -- let
him pick out a board, and bring me my Yater Spoon -- the eight six."

MIKE: "I don't know, sir -- it's -- it's --"

KILGORE: "What is it soldier?

MIKE: "It's pretty hairy in there - it's Charlie's point..."

KILGORE: "Charlie don't surf !"

:beer:

 

[falcon20driver]

The radar data from http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N86CE/tracklog shows them on a 7 mile final at 4100' MSL and 262 kts groundspeed, two reports for the same fix of a one mile final the first is 2300' MSL doing 277 kts over the ground and than 1200' MSL (900' AGL) doing 209 over the ground, and the next and last fix is at field elevation doing 227 kts over the ground a mile southwest of the field.