Any colgan guys out there?

[bogey383]

your company seems to always have classes going or interviews set. is this due to a great deal of flow through due to horrible qol. or do people get in get the types and get out. just some basics on the company would be cool.

 

[Mr Wu]

It's get in, get your time, move on to bigger, better things. Currently hiring for attrition, Saab transitions, and younguns with SJS.

 

[bogey383]

i mean if your going to just time build i would do it at a place i would want to go. is it worth it to stick around for the upgrade or just get the turbine time and dip out anyway. ya know

 

[Mr Wu]

Turbine time is nothing without PIC. Don't know anybody that doesn't want to be here. You can always tell those that don't by the fact that they are crying on here about how to get out of their contract after they leave.

 

[YMICFI]

Join the party

I recommend Colgan for the simple fact that if you come in with a descent amount of time, you will upgrade fast. Get the turbine PIC and move on. Plan on a couple years of sucking it up and dealing with near daily Colganoscopys and you will be rewarded over the rainbow. Join the many hearty souls that once called Colgan home. See you on the line.

 

[bogey383]

what are the chances of holding a descent line right outta class? what bases are you normally stuck in for the beech or the snaab?

 

[suupah]

I recommend Colgan for the simple fact that if you come in with a descent amount of time, you will upgrade fast. Get the turbine PIC and move on. Plan on a couple years of sucking it up and dealing with near daily Colganoscopys and you will be rewarded over the rainbow. Join the many hearty souls that once called Colgan home. See you on the line.

where you at now?

 

[Snaab]

Heard from a good source a few days ago that we have 4 in class right for Saab, want a 5 more in a June 19 class, and another class July 17 (not sure if it's only Saab, or a mix). Also was told future looks like this: upgrade will be 1 year for Beech, 2 years for Saab. Don't really know what attrition is like, but know more usually leave in summer for some reason.

Why do people leave? Some have the PIC and move on to the bigger and better job. FO's that leave do so for an RJ job with a base close to home, it seems.

Bases: Just know they will put you where they need help, be in JST, PQI, SHD, BHB, AUG, wherever. Some are lucky and fall into a base like ORF out of training. If you're persistent with crew planning, you'll get where you want eventually, at least as an FO. Obviously a longer wait when you're a Capt. Hope that helps.

Snaab

 

[YMICFI]

where you at now?

Still flying here with the best at Colgan. Loving every minute of it.

 

[Mr Wu]

Still flying here with the best at Colgan. Loving every minute of it.

HAHA, you used to fly with the best. Now you fly the Saab. Get any IMC yet?

 

[YMICFI]

Good point. No, not even .1 IMC yet.

HAHA, you used to fly with the best. Now you fly the Saab. Get any IMC yet?

 

[suupah]

Still flying here with the best at Colgan. Loving every minute of it.

you don't happen to know how much longer the beatings will continue, do you?

 

[suupah]

Heard from a good source a few days ago that we have 4 in class right for Saab, want a 5 more in a June 19 class, and another class July 17 (not sure if it's only Saab, or a mix). Also was told future looks like this: upgrade will be 1 year for Beech, 2 years for Saab. Don't really know what attrition is like, but know more usually leave in summer for some reason.

Snaab

with the longer upgrade attrition will rise because second year pay is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar below industry average.

btw, how is houston?

 

[heywatchthis]

Colgan is a good deal for a VERY short period of time. Are you very low time and need some TT to get on with your favorite RJ operator. GOOD DEAL then. You have good TT and connections and need more PIC. GOOD DEAL.

You are low time and you want a fast track to a dream job major airline. VERY VERY few make it. There really isn't much shortcutting in this industry. That's thinking you can upgrade without a pink slip, and not get a letter in your file or a suspension or terminations. Remember no union, so that means no job security and no seniority for upgrade or bases. Compare...

Where are Colgan guys with PIC going. Few with connections to good companies. MOST go to ANY larger jet operator. Gemini, Allegiant, World, NorthAmerican, Cassino airways, etc, etc,...

Then after being there years they get lucky and make a career out of it, or move on to there dream job major.

Where are guys at Express Jet, Air Wisconsin, Republic etc. Might have taken them a year or two more to get the PIC, but they get there in senority order, they have some termination protection, they make more money, they build PIC jet, they fly to more than 6 cities, their airplane has an APU, they get 401K, they are TRAINED, they don't get memo's that end with "or you will be terminated"

Tell me how many guys flying a E170 or CRJ900 have application with Gemini or Omni Air International?

Answer NONE.

There is no SHORT CUT. Crappy regional FO to a crappy regional capt to a crappy big Jet operator, to a crappy big jet operator Capt, to a FO at Continental Airlines. Thats way to many starting over and moving. Thats if everything goes perfect. Or Express Jet FO... 5 years later.... Continental FO. If not at leat your at a good place to WAIT for the hiring to begin.

But yes a few do make the initial company change to a good major, but those have been at Colgan for 5+ years. Thats a long time to be here, and just think if the risk doesn't payoff. Now what the hell you going to do?

I will restate. Colgan is an excellent place to go for a short period of time. Just my opinion and take it as that.

 

[Mr Wu]

Turbine time is nothing without PIC. Don't know anybody that doesn't want to be here. You can always tell those that don't by the fact that they are crying on here about how to get out of their contract after they leave.

Guess I know one now.:crying:

 

[CoolSidePillow]

Colgan is a good deal for a VERY short period of time. Are you very low time and need some TT to get on with your favorite RJ operator. GOOD DEAL then. You have good TT and connections and need more PIC. GOOD DEAL.

You are low time and you want a fast track to a dream job major airline. VERY VERY few make it. There really isn't much shortcutting in this industry. That's thinking you can upgrade without a pink slip, and not get a letter in your file or a suspension or terminations. Remember no union, so that means no job security and no seniority for upgrade or bases. Compare...

Where are Colgan guys with PIC going. Few with connections to good companies. MOST go to ANY larger jet operator. Gemini, Allegiant, World, NorthAmerican, Cassino airways, etc, etc,...

Then after being there years they get lucky and make a career out of it, or move on to there dream job major.

Where are guys at Express Jet, Air Wisconsin, Republic etc. Might have taken them a year or two more to get the PIC, but they get there in senority order, they have some termination protection, they make more money, they build PIC jet, they fly to more than 6 cities, their airplane has an APU, they get 401K, they are TRAINED, they don't get memo's that end with "or you will be terminated"

Tell me how many guys flying a E170 or CRJ900 have application with Gemini or Omni Air International?

Answer NONE.

There is no SHORT CUT. Crappy regional FO to a crappy regional capt to a crappy big Jet operator, to a crappy big jet operator Capt, to a FO at Continental Airlines. Thats way to many starting over and moving. Thats if everything goes perfect. Or Express Jet FO... 5 years later.... Continental FO. If not at leat your at a good place to WAIT for the hiring to begin.

But yes a few do make the initial company change to a good major, but those have been at Colgan for 5+ years. Thats a long time to be here, and just think if the risk doesn't payoff. Now what the hell you going to do?

I will restate. Colgan is an excellent place to go for a short period of time. Just my opinion and take it as that.

Extremely well put. That should be Colgan's hiring slogan. I talk to guys that tell me they came here for fast upgrade so that they can move on in quick. Wow who was pouring the Kool-Aid? These new FO's made bad choices in my opinion. When I got on nobody else was hiring. I wish I went to Expressjet or Republic or Air Whiskey which also in my opinion are the only jet regionals worth anything. As a matter of fact I think I will give up risking my life and career to fly unmaintained 20 year old t-props and take the hit and see about getting on with one of them now. Hey what are you going to do but trial and error right.

 

[bogey383]

well! i have an atp, just not to much over 100 multi, i am going to interview with skywest as well and that would be the number 1 choice (even if it was the e120); however, it never hurts to have a backup to build up the multi.. gotta get out of flying checks ya know. hopefully the qol isn't as bad as its being made out to be, but then any job is what you make it, so if your not happy even your dream job could be garbage.

 

[Prop2Jet]

CoolsideDown, come on now, its not that bad. Your right, the faster you make your lateral move the happier you will be. You should leave and fly a jet and sit right seat for several years. If you are young, below 23, it might not be a bad idea since you can't upgrade for awhile anyway. But if you are here and can upgrade you should. Get some PIC before you bail. What is another 6 months anyhow?
The airplanes I have flown are not bad. They all fly great, sure some have some issues, but it is not as bad as you have said.
I would like an APU for the summer months, but all in all its a great outfit.
If you leave, good luck and if you stay look at the bright side.
don't forget us little prop guys get hired by Southwest jETBLUE, North American and other respectable outfits. It is your interview and personality that gets you hired not the type of blades on your airplane.

 

[CoolSidePillow]

CoolsideDown, come on now, its not that bad. Your right, the faster you make your lateral move the happier you will be. You should leave and fly a jet and sit right seat for several years. If you are young, below 23, it might not be a bad idea since you can't upgrade for awhile anyway. But if you are here and can upgrade you should. Get some PIC before you bail. What is another 6 months anyhow?
The airplanes I have flown are not bad. They all fly great, sure some have some issues, but it is not as bad as you have said.
I would like an APU for the summer months, but all in all its a great outfit.
If you leave, good luck and if you stay look at the bright side.
don't forget us little prop guys get hired by Southwest jETBLUE, North American and other respectable outfits. It is your interview and personality that gets you hired not the type of blades on your airplane.

are you a captain here?
I am and have been for awhile. I already have my 1000 PIC. Two people went to Southwest and one was a woman(nuf said on that) one person went to Jetblue and he was flying Jetlblue jumpseaters for years and made many friends that got him in. North American is a place people go when nobody else calls them for an interview. As far as the planes. If you dont think they are that bad than you are either a FO and your captains dont tell you much or you are a captain who doesnt pay attention and doesnt write up broken planes

 

[av8tor76]

CoolSideWuss...

 

[suupah]

But yes a few do make the initial company change to a good major, but those have been at Colgan for 5+ years. Thats a long time to be here, and just think if the risk doesn't payoff. Now what the hell you going to do?

I will restate. Colgan is an excellent place to go for a short period of time. Just my opinion and take it as that.

five years because for the past five years there as been almost NO hiring. that time is going to come down as the majors start hiring in the next couple of years. imho

 

[BRA]

Tell me how many guys flying a E170 or CRJ900 have application with Gemini or Omni Air International?

Answer NONE.

Allegiant has guys that were CRJ and ERJ captains at air wisconsin, mesa, ACA, and comair. Also captains from colgan, Commutair, TSA, and Skyway.

 

[HughBeamont]

Anyone that hasn't landed a 7-MEL Beech 1900 in -FZRA, vis 1/2, runway 5000', 20 knot x-wind, 10 knots on the tail, braking action "poor" with a chew buzz on is a big sissy.

 

[heywatchthis]

Tell me how many guys flying a E170 or CRJ900 have application with Gemini or Omni Air International?

Answer NONE.

Allegiant has guys that were CRJ and ERJ captains at air wisconsin, mesa, ACA, and comair. Also captains from colgan, Commutair, TSA, and Skyway.

I think Allegiant is a good deal. Like AirTran when it started. Not to bad mouth them or anyone else, just trying to say it's safer to go to a flying job that you can stay at and be picky on your next move. Or take the risky-er move and get PIC and move on to something better. Both have there advantages and disadvantages. Just be aware of them.

I don't know what its like at Horizon, but I figure there has to be a reason guys go to a regional with a 7 year upgrade. On the other hand, why does Colgan have a 1-2 year upgrade without any expansion.

This career can be brutal, I know. Just choose what is best for you and do some research so you know what to expect. Let LUCK do the rest.

 

[suupah]

Attention Colgan Air Pilots!

FROM THE CHIEFS OFFICE

In an effort to improve working conditions at Colgan air we are now allowing flight crews to fly in their boxers. we are aware that it is hot up front and with no apu or english speaking ground personnel to get you an air cart it dan get down right dangerously hot up front.

We do ask however that you put your clothes back on before you exit the cockpit.

The chief

 

[BRA]

I think Allegiant is a good deal. Like AirTran when it started. Not to bad mouth them or anyone else, just trying to say it's safer to go to a flying job that you can stay at and be picky on your next move. Or take the risky-er move and get PIC and move on to something better. Both have there advantages and disadvantages. Just be aware of them.

I don't know what its like at Horizon, but I figure there has to be a reason guys go to a regional with a 7 year upgrade. On the other hand, why does Colgan have a 1-2 year upgrade without any expansion.

This career can be brutal, I know. Just choose what is best for you and do some research so you know what to expect. Let LUCK do the rest.

Back in 2002 i briefly thought i had the choice between ACA and colgan. Everyone told me to go to ACA if i had the choice, they were the better company, better AC, better QOL, UAL looked stronger then USair. Lucky for me ACA shot me down and i went to my only choice left. I wanted ACA at the time though. I say try and pick the middle of the road regional. The best one will get screwed, and the worst one will screw you.

 

[BlueCanoe]

Tell me how many guys flying a E170 or CRJ900 have application with Gemini or Omni Air International?

Answer NONE.

Uh, is that because it's a paycut and a cut in QOL??

 

[EBE]

Aside from what was previously mentioned....

How are the health benefits at Colgan and how long after being hired do they kick in?
How long are the new guys and gals sitting reserve and where are they getting based?
How many hours on average are line holders putting in per month?
How's the overall morale?

So many questions, so little time. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!

 

[CoolSidePillow]

Aside from what was previously mentioned....

How are the health benefits at Colgan and how long after being hired do they kick in?
How long are the new guys and gals sitting reserve and where are they getting based?
How many hours on average are line holders putting in per month?
How's the overall morale?

So many questions, so little time. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!

Health benefits are ok. medical, dental, vision, LTD, STD, the usual package. 401k but no matching. medical benefits start when you are online I believe. There is no reserve in the standard sense. All depends on the base. If you are 5 out of 5 FO at a base. You will do more reserve. If you are 4 out of 4 or 3 out of 4 you will fly. Some bases 80-90 is average and some 60-70. Upgrade has slowed so now it is closer to 16-18 months or so as opposed to the 12 that I had. Moral is ok. Not the best and I am sure not the worst. Some good people worked here.

 

[bender]

Health insurance kicks in the first full month after you start training.

Ex.-If you start training June 19 then you are covered starting July 1.

With regards to reserve it all depends on where you are based. You can count on sitting reserve in Albany, Manasty, and Houston(which you won't get right out of training). If you're the #4 FO in Ithaca and there's only 3 lines then you're sitting reserve. Hours vary greatly between bases. They can go from 60-78 in Johnstown to 80-95 in Presque Isle.