Anderson to align capacity with demand

[General Lee]

GL,

Not aimed at you. One good flame deserves another, or better yet ignore. Looking forward to working together with my new inlaws, and I'm quite happy flying DC9A, but might bid M88 or M90 if it comes to DTW......peace.

I would too IF I actually wanted to fly a McDonald Douglas plane. But if you want to drive the mighty Mad Dog, go for it. I have looked at that A330 and it seems like a nice bird, and I haven't flown an Airbus before. We'll see.... As far as the flames go, I am trying my best to avoid them against you guys now since we are a "we" now. Again, I am TRYING.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Would all of you STFU! There are many, many more people on here to ******************** with other than each other. Examples: Joe Merchant, crj567 or any cmr lifer.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Word from the big boys is that furloughs have been shelved at least for the time being. 200-500 were planned (ACL was right on in his target number range), but they determined the cost of furloughing out weighed keeping them on board.

Always nice to hear some good news.

 

[michael707767]

Word from the big boys is that furloughs have been shelved at least for the time being. 200-500 were planned (ACL was right on in his target number range), but they determined the cost of furloughing out weighed keeping them on board.

Always nice to hear some good news.

Projections 3-6 months out are looking better. That, in addition to the cost of a furlough, is what will save those jobs.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yep, the decision was made a few nights ago. No furloughs but looking at 40-50 positions in each seat going bye bye in the Aug AE on the 767. We are moving to a ER only company. The 767 domestic will go away. From what I have been told, the letters could have been printed by the end of the month. A little to close for comfort, but the surplus will allow us to train all of the new positions as we start moving all of the jets.
We will need over a 5% capacity cut for next summer to revisit it again. Long term projections are showing a flat 2010. That is fine.
The wild card is what will happen to LLC and UAUA. We will be ready to move.

Also FWIW, looking at 50 MD 90's in the next few years, more 777's and possibly more 73N's or 320's as their replacement will not be here until 2022 at the earliest. That allows for a uniform phase out of these jets, with the ones on property going first, and the new ones leaving about 2035 or so.

The 5500 block 757's should be here until at least 2015ish.
The 30-40 block 9's are going soon, 50 block 9's will be gone around 2012 as the replacement hits the street. (guess)
Looks like 10 9's to ATL, and 20 or so 320's to SLC and CVG, as well as 20 MD-90's to MSP.
330's to ATL, 7ER to SEA and a bunch more.
Point is that the plan is starting to come together. That is a good thing for all of us. We not have some decent long term guidance as the financial modeling is starting to show some results.

 

[FDJ2]

We are moving to a ER only company. The 767 domestic will go away.

So will the 767 domestic category become the 757 domestic category, or are they planning to convert the entire domestic category (roughly 200 B757s) to an ER category similar to CVG?

Good update.

 

[nwaredtail]

Yep, the decision was made a few nights ago. No furloughs but looking at 40-50 positions in each seat going bye bye in the Aug AE on the 767. We are moving to a ER only company. The 767 domestic will go away. From what I have been told, the letters could have been printed by the end of the month. A little to close for comfort, but the surplus will allow us to train all of the new positions as we start moving all of the jets.
We will need over a 5% capacity cut for next summer to revisit it again. Long term projections are showing a flat 2010. That is fine.
The wild card is what will happen to LLC and UAUA. We will be ready to move.

Also FWIW, looking at 50 MD 90's in the next few years, more 777's and possibly more 73N's or 320's as their replacement will not be here until 2022 at the earliest. That allows for a uniform phase out of these jets, with the ones on property going first, and the new ones leaving about 2035 or so.

The 5500 block 757's should be here until at least 2015ish.
The 30-40 block 9's are going soon, 50 block 9's will be gone around 2012 as the replacement hits the street. (guess)
Looks like 10 9's to ATL, and 20 or so 320's to SLC and CVG, as well as 20 MD-90's to MSP.
330's to ATL, 7ER to SEA and a bunch more.
Point is that the plan is starting to come together. That is a good thing for all of us. We not have some decent long term guidance as the financial modeling is starting to show some results.

Sounds to me like a lot less jets and a lot more stagnation, hard to see things "coming together" in such a rosy way.

 

[General Lee]

Sounds to me like a lot less jets and a lot more stagnation, hard to see things "coming together" in such a rosy way.

What do you mean? A lot of your older NWA guys will bail soon.(next few years) That will be good for all of us.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

So will the 767 domestic category become the 757 domestic category, or are they planning to convert the entire domestic category (roughly 200 B757s) to an ER category similar to CVG?

Good update.

From what the CLCP and a bunch of others are saying, it is going to a total combined category. We are going to be going to a Theater specific qualification as we have seen on the pop up bulletin.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Sounds to me like a lot less jets and a lot more stagnation, hard to see things "coming together" in such a rosy way.

Well we cannot get in to specific orders as they are not here. It would be just conjure anyway. I can tell you that they really do not want to reduce the domestic lift. More RJ's gone and even more as these DCI contracts mature.
There will be growth, but I cannot see it outpacing the GDP. That is going to be flat for a few years, so yes it may get a little stagnant.
Also, the term coming together, was in reference to a real plan. No more hemming and hawing. I did not say rosy either.
Add to it, that if any other carrier shrinks, or goes out of business, which at least one will, we will be a first mover and moving very quickly. Hence the reason not to furlough.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Thanks again for the gouge, ACL. Interesting to see how junior\senior an ER only category will go. There are a lot of pilots at DL who dread the thought of flying international long haul. They may bid the 737 for roughly the same pay.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That or make sure they get the domestic stuff.

 

[General Lee]

That or make sure they get the domestic stuff.

I knew guys on the 764 that would only bid the domestic stuff, and said it was the most senior. All they were doing were SLC and MCO layovers, but for a lot higher pay than the regular 757/767.

If you look at the ATL ER category now, we have plenty of DOM trips, and it is a nice change every once and a while. It also allows for landings when you are short.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That is the reasoning behind it. It will allow the predominately international guys to do a few bumps prior to requal.
Add to that, it will be cheaper, as it will require less staffing.

 

[~~~^~~~]

From what the CLCP and a bunch of others are saying, it is going to a total combined category. We are going to be going to a Theater specific qualification as we have seen on the pop up bulletin.

So, can I bid, 767 B ASIAN HOTTIE as opposed to 767 EURO CLASSIC, or 767 ARFICA DEETSMELLY?

... oh who am I kidding? I'm solidly in the DC9B JAN or MD88B-FINDTHEPOLE&LADDER categories. ACL65, remind me where are the shutoff valves that prevent the gear from retracting ? and isn't it that if you hold at the FMC speed the thing stalls and falls out of the sky in a turn? I forgot.