Ameristar Fatal Crash Last Night

[737AV8TOR]

Daytonaflyer!

I don't know where you get these rumors from:

It was also determined that their heading was approximately 70 degrees off their assigned heading at the time of impact.

Please don't post heading guesses until we hear some more accurate information!!
(Tapes between ATC and the plane and radar pictures)

My prayers goes out to TP's and DH's families.

 

[flyinloki]

That is some interesting news. Witness said that the plane was on fire before it hit the ground.

 

[cherry20's]

Good article to see. I didn't think it was CFIT, good to see some proof that it probably was the airplane. RIP fr8dogs!

 

[hawk16e]

VSI9-- our hearts go out to you.


Freight Jock, Thanks

Lonnie

 

[frog_flyer]

Any word for funeral arrangements for TP? I haven't seen anything in the obits..

 

[Daytonaflyer]

I just received a correction in the information PM'd to me. It appears the airplane did not turn heading until after impact. The elevation is evidently correct. Of course it is still under investigation. I received this information from Ameristar management.

Freight Jock,
That's a very nice thing you're doing. Thank you.

 

[Smoking Man]

Good tailwinds guys.

I wish peace during this trying time to your family, and friends.

 

[TxPilot0878]

How dare anyone judge Dan and Terry's ability to fly that aircraft. I have had numerous problems with N444TW icluding pressurization and fuel leaks...all fixed but flying for someone who doesn't believe preventative manaintence is the key!
My heart goes out to their families!
Easy to judge from the sidelines...but if you have never flown a Lear....going from altitude to a warm humid temp....well the window wouldn't allow you to see the ground...in daylight less likely at night! The bleed air unfortunately cant keep up in a way that if you rolled over...would provide you with the references to keep you safe....likely that "CFIT" was the problem...but a cool new word for some!
Lets let the FAA and NTSB do their job and figure out the problem...the sad fact is a Capt. with over 9000 hrs. and sharp F.O. have left families behind!...I guarantee you based on the hole in the ground (which CFIT would be a glance...is based on somehting more!!!)...that something else went wrong!

http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pub...b1e8d357d36cb8b986256e21004f59e9?OpenDocument
http://www.miami.com/multimedia/miami/news/archive/deadlyexpress/partthree/pilotprint.html
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http://www.guadalajarareporter.com/fullcover.cfm?id=12

Check these out!

Regards to their families they were great sticks!!!!​

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[wolfpackpilot]

Lets let the FAA and NTSB do their job and figure out the problem

Lets hope they can... Mexico doesnt always roll out the red carpet for foreign governments.

Pony up guys... Anytime this happens, the families should get no less than 25K from donations. A new thread with a sticky should be posted with the fund info.

Wolfpackpilot
(Ram Air Frieght, 90's)

 

[Captain X]

http://www.courts.mo.gov/courts/pub...b1e8d357d36cb8b986256e21004f59e9?OpenDocument

I remember that one...happened right after I got there. After that, no one would do flight idle descents.

 

[Rook]

RIP guys.

As a former YIP fr8dog that used to fight over the crappy recliners with AJI guys while waiting for fr8 all those years ago, Godspeed. Another excuse to tap the bottle. Be safe out there guys.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

May both of you Rest In Peace. I never knew the guys, but a fellow pilot is a fellow pilot. Godbless. Your families are in my prayers.

 

[dshghs]

I would like to thank all those who have written wonderful things about our husbands. You all knew them as fellow pilots and us wives where blessed with the rest. Dan loved to fly and knew that would be the way he checked out, doing what he loved. He didn’t think it would happen until our son was a pro motocross star but knew someday it would. I will be in Dallas at Terry’s service and hope to see all you Ameristar pilots there. My thoughts are with all you freight dogs.

 

[osy007]

Was it really Terry Patty?

He has been sending me photos of his Lear 25 to put on my website. He just emailed me, a week ago, about a Lear 45 job he just got. I cant believe what I'm hearing.

If anyone could let me know, I would appreciate it. PM please.

 

[pilot125]

Wishing everyone who knew these two guys-family, friends and coworkers- to be strong and keep their memory and legacy alive!

Everyone out there please be careful and fly safe, hopefully when the final report comes out, no matter what the cause, we can learn from it and become more aware of the inherent dangers of these airplanes and what we do for a living, and come to appreciate things more, and appreciate life for what it is.........

And to the wife who replied in this post, you are a very brave person, and you are in all of our thoughts.

 

[big_al]

what a sad story, very tragic.

 

[dshghs]

Do what the chart says and you won't HIT mountains.

I will not do a visual approach at night PERIOD

Let me say I am not a fan of these type forums simply because of stupid people like you Falcon20driver! I am a former co-worker of Dan and know first hand of his flying abilities and to read this sh.. you wrote and others like Hammer2 it makes me want to beat the stupidity out of you but I don't have 30 years to waste! I fly freight and people in a B747-400 and can attest that if I had my choice of who sat beside me I would have preferred Dan over several guys I fly with right now.This is a tragic loss for both of these guys families and statements that have been made that suggest that they took short-cuts is simply un-called for.My deepest sympathy goes out to the wives and children left behind.

 

[jobear]

Let me say I am not a fan of these type forums simply because of stupid people like you Falcon20driver! I am a former co-worker of Dan and know first hand of his flying abilities and to read this sh.. you wrote and others like Hammer2 it makes me want to beat the stupidity out of you but I don't have 30 years to waste! I fly freight and people in a B747-400 and can attest that if I had my choice of who sat beside me I would have preferred Dan over several guys I fly with right now.This is a tragic loss for both of these guys families and statements that have been made that suggest that they took short-cuts is simply un-called for.My deepest sympathy goes out to the wives and children left behind.

Here here! Couldn't said it better.

 

[Freight Jock]

The Webmaster has removed my other post regarding the Memorial Fund.

If you haven't already noticed, the Webmaster has removed the thread "Donation Fund for Hughes and Patty family (Ameristar Crash)". He said there have been too many hoaxes recently; therefore, the lawyers have recommended that the thread be removed from the Flightinfo Message Board.

If you need further information regarding the Memorial Fund, please send me an email to [email protected].

Thanks,

Freight Jock

 

[falcon20driver]

Let me say I am not a fan of these type forums simply because of stupid people like you Falcon20driver! I am a former co-worker of Dan and know first hand of his flying abilities and to read this sh.. you wrote and others like Hammer2 it makes me want to beat the stupidity out of you but I don't have 30 years to waste! I fly freight and people in a B747-400 and can attest that if I had my choice of who sat beside me I would have preferred Dan over several guys I fly with right now.This is a tragic loss for both of these guys families and statements that have been made that suggest that they took short-cuts is simply un-called for.My deepest sympathy goes out to the wives and children left behind.

Three fatal Learjet accidents in less than 6 years, the first two were pilot error, maybe this one was and maybe it wasn't, but 3 pilots, maybe 5 now have died and one badly injured because of flying fast strait into the ground. At this rate in two to three years they're do another fatal Learjet accident, if someones life is saved by reading my post than it did some good.