American Master Re-Bid

[pilot141]

This message board is a JOKE!

After the original question was posted, there was one (ONE!) helpful response by justApilot and then the sarcasm, snide remarks and general a**holery began. It seems that anything is a good excuse for the APA/AA bashers (whether they are TWA, Eagle, ALPA or whoever) to get their hackles up and post worthless invective on this board. The same is true when any thread gets started about Delta, it's just different bashers.

Message boards like this provide a level of anonymity that allow people to speak their minds and express things that they sometimes wouldn't say in front of people they know. This CAN be a good thing, like asking about the lifestyle at XYZ airline without having anyone but you know that you might be looking for a new job.

Unfortunately people here have used the Internet Anonymity Shield to transform themselves into the most rabid, zealous and backstabbing people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter.

Yes, there are bad feelings out there, but remember that this thread started out as a question about the master bid run at AA. If any of you want to start a thread about how APA sucks, or how Eagle gets screwed at every opportunity, or how the whole world should honor an X-year captain, then by all means START YOUR OWN THREAD!

Bottom line.....hijacking is bad .

 

[pylut]

posted by pilot 141
"Unfortunately people here have used the Internet Anonymity Shield to transform themselves into the most rabid, zealous and backstabbing people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter."

I find that hard to believe considering you work and associate with individuals from aa/apa.

 

[blott]

After the original question was posted, there was one (ONE!) helpful response by justApilot

If you wanted to thank justApilot, then you said enough right there.

Why continue on with your post and WASTE my, and everyone else's, time with the rest of your lengthy post? Seems like you are trying to HI-jack your own thread with coments like that. Why don't you try to be part of the solution, instead of furthering the problem?

Wait a min. Looks like I'm falling into the same trap....

B

P.S. Please disregard the above post.

 

[Cleared Direct]

I rather doubt that scope and flowthrough would ever snap back to the verbage of the last contract; but, that seems to be the desire of several from the eagle side of the house.

I have a bit of legal news for you. Letter 3 is the law of the land unless all 4 parties agree to something else. It is very clear in Letter 3 that if there is a conflict between Letter 3 and any contractual language, Letter 3 prevails. The Eagle ALPA MEC and most of the Eagle pilots see the new ratified contractual language at AMR as a bad thing for Eagle pilots in the long run. Although APA did waive their rights to flow back to current EMJ Captain positions, unfortunately for us it also subjects our entire pilot group to a huge vulnerability in giving recall rights to the vacated flowback positions to ALL furloughed AA pilots. We want a negotiated agreement that it good for Eagle, APA, and the company.

The senior group of fuloughed AA pilots have every right to contractually displace 400-500 CJ Captains at Eagle. What they can't do is re-write Letter 3 and magically give all furloughed AA pilots recall rights to positions at Eagle. The cold facts are that the company does not want to spend the large amount of money and time to displace these postions. APA will not ask for even more concessions from their members to secure additional jobs at Eagle outside of Letter 3. A negotiated settlement is the best for all.

If you want some more informative reading on Letter 3 / Supplement W, than check out this site:

http://www.letter3.org/

Why do you think AMR didn't engage Eagle ALPA in negotiations ? I am genuinely curious. Especially since AMR was really dictating, not "negotiating" with it's unions.

While it is true that AMR was dictating most of the concession terms to the unions, they also desperately needed to appease APA enough to ensure the ratification of the important terms. AMR has never been concerned with appeasing Eagle. They would sacrifice Eagle in a minute to please APA. To involve Eagle ALPA in the negotiated concessions would only complicate the process, and possibly prevent APA from ratifying the terms. Instead the company chose to lead you down a dead end alley and promise things they knew they could not necessarily give you. They know there will be a negotiated or arbitrated settlement that will surely be cheaper than if APA had not chosen to ratify the TA and followed by a rushed Chapter 11 filing.

Now AMR has a baseline of concessionary labor agreements and even concessions from its vendors. These were crucial steps that AMR desperately wanted before they file Chapter 11.

 

[eaglefly]

JustA - WRONG ! It is a CONTRACTUAL REQUIREMENT for negotiations between AMR, APA and Eagle ALPA.

80drvr (also known as "pal") - You are terribly uninformed regarding Eagle's Letter 3. The corrupt and ethically bankrupt thugs leading your union falsely imply that acceptance of this unilaterally devised "new" flow-back agreement is better for the helpless and subservient pilots of Eagle.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Should this illegal aspect of your TA go unchallenged, it would harm Eagle pilots FAR more than forced acceptance.

I'll explain why.

Letter 3 provides for the DISPLACEMENT of current flow-thru captains ONLY by those AA pilots senior to them.

THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO PROVISIONS FOR AA FURLOUGHEES TO FILL NEW AIRCRAFT VACANCIES.

As a result, a specific and limited number of AA pilots would be eligable to flow-back. That is approximately 450 based on the CURRENT estimated number of furloughs.

Once any given Eagle flow-thru captain is DISPLACED by an AA furloughee SENIOR to them, that captain has the ability to reclaim a new vacancy and then be protected from displacement because at that point all remaining AA furloughees WOULD BE JUNIOR TO THEM ON THE AA LIST and thus cannot displace them.

This will ultimately result in an even smaller number of available slots for flow-backs once the process begins.

Flow-thru captains were awarded "occupational seniority" that carries little weight at AA until that pilot is on the AA payroll. But, at Eagle that "occupational seniority" still provides him value with respect to AA furloughee rights regarding pilots JUNIOR to him on the AA list.

Under the "NEW" illegal Supplement W, Eagle pilots forfeit ALL rights to new vacancies AND inaddition allow access to Eagle captains seats by pilots previously PROHIBITED from flow-back access as represented by AMR. That would be the pilots of TWA.

So under current Letter 3, AA furloughees get at most a few hundred slots. No one here would argue that because THAT HAS, AND IS, THE AGREEMENT.

Under the new illegal TA, for all intents and purposes, the sky's the limit. THAT IS NOT, AND HAS NEVER BEEN, THE AGREEMENT.

But that is not the worst aspect of this filth devised by the APA. What really would virtually nullify any seniority protections of our agreement is should Eagle ALPA just capitulate, it would set a precedent that could allow AMR or the APA to rechange the definitions and boundaries of Letter 3 in the future.

Any number of changes including but not limited to, extending flow-back rights to mainline furloughees indefinitely, cancelation of Eagle flow-thru numbers at expiration of Letter 3, inclusion of future pilots not currently on the AA seniority list but acquired through another merger or acquisition, etc., etc.

If that is allowed to occur, the pilots of Eagle will forever forfeit the most senior positions at their airline to the whim of another pilots groups union.

That my friend, will not be allowed to occur. At that point EVERY single Eagle pilot might as well resign and let AMR figure out how to staff 250 parked airplanes BEFORE the resultant customer and revenue loss forces them into immeadiate bankruptcy. We'll see what the liars and cheats of the APA say when the four parties supposedly meet later this week to discuss the situation.

In the mean time, fly safe "pal".

P.S. AMR NEVER negotiates first. They only do that when "dictating" and "threatening" no longer works.

Of all people, AA pilots should have figured that out by now.

 

[justApilot]

Well atleast there was enough juice left in the swell this PM.

 

[80drvr]

To 80 pilot and Just a pilot: F**k you both!

You have no idea in the slightest how much hatred and venom flows through the F/O's at Eagle. You have NO idea. Don't think empty threats will make us back down on inch. Maybe you military guys will think about the classes you took during OCS about subversion and counter-espionage. Do you really think we are all just 20 something kids flying around in RJ's. I can't wait until you boys trickle into our world you have no idea what you are in for. Do think that the full implementation of Letter 3 or Supplement W will effect the F/O's at Eagle...NO! We are covered by a cause that prevents our furlough.
You APA guys may have gotten things right your way but I assure you those who come to the Eagle side will certainly not be so lucky. We are waiting and there will be a restoration of Jim Crow laws for all of you. APA you had your chance and we (Eagle pilots) tried numberious times to get together but you stabbed us in the back. Good luck to your future because we got your number....

No ScAAbs!

I was an Eagle pilot.

 

[justApilot]

Resistance....and others that feel the need to make threatening remarks....

I understand your frustration but....I along with, I would think, the vast majority subscribed to this forum do not appreciate your threats on this thread or any other thread. I think it is time to start signing your posts with your name and airline that employs you. That way we know who you really are.

Stu Peterson
AA





To 80 pilot and Just a pilot: F**k you both!

You have no idea in the slightest how much hatred and venom flows through the F/O's at Eagle. You have NO idea. Don't think empty threats will make us back down on inch. Maybe you military guys will think about the classes you took during OCS about subversion and counter-espionage. Do you really think we are all just 20 something kids flying around in RJ's. I can't wait until you boys trickle into our world you have no idea what you are in for. Do think that the full implementation of Letter 3 or Supplement W will effect the F/O's at Eagle...NO! We are covered by a cause that prevents our furlough.
You APA guys may have gotten things right your way but I assure you those who come to the Eagle side will certainly not be so lucky. We are waiting and there will be a restoration of Jim Crow laws for all of you. APA you had your chance and we (Eagle pilots) tried numberious times to get together but you stabbed us in the back. Good luck to your future because we got your number....

No ScAAbs!

 

[AA717driver]

Eaglefly--Re: "There are absolutely no provisions for AA furloughees to fill new aircraft vacancies."

I read Letter 3 Sec. IV A. to say that, other than the Eagle rights pilots, AA furlougees can displace or move into a CJ CA position at AE "...provided that the number of CJ Captain positions available to furloughed AA pilots will be limited to the total number of CJ Captain positions at AMR Eagle, Inc. less the number of Eagle rights CJ Captains." That guarantees positions only to the Eagle Rights CA's.

Yes, AA furloughees cannot displace more "senior" flowthrough Eagle CA's, but it doesn't guarantee new aircraft positions to AE CA's. Maybe technically it does, but the flowthroughs are already CA's and no new upgrades are guaranteed to the current FO's so you get stuffed by IV A.

As for the CRJ's, if AA moves them from the Eagle certificate to the AA certificate, then Eagle has no CRJ's and thus, no rights to them. You aren't thinking outside the box. I know you guys are frustrated but there are over 2000 AA people who are more frustrated or about to be. Sup W sucks. I'm finding that, these days, there is no right or wrong in the airline business, there's only leverage.TC

 

[justApilot]

Resistance...

I am very aware of 32. Maybe you should think twice before making threats on a public forum. Just because you hide behind a screen name does not mean that I don't know who you are. Good luck bro.

 

[eaglefly]

717 - In order to "think outside the box" one needs to identify the boundaries of the box they exist in.

Here is that section of Letter 3, AS WRITTEN IN VERBATIM :

Section IV. (A.) A pilot furloughed from AA may displace a CJ captain at an AMR Eagle, Inc. carrier provided that the number of CJ Captain positions available to furloughed AA pilots will be limited to the total number of CJ Captain positions at AMR Eagle, Inc. less the number of Eagle Rights CJ Captains.

You've added a non-existant personal interpretation ("move in to") and than quoted the last half of the paragraph. As you can see there is a SPECIFIC and single term used to allow an AA furloughee to flow-back to an Eagle CJ Captain position from AA and that is by DISPLACEMENT ONLY and a SPECIFIC NUMBER. There could be 5000 positions but the ONLY method for AA furloughees to access anything is by DISPLACEMENT ONLY.

However there is ONE situation provided by Letter 3 that allows a furloughed AA pilot to claim a vacancy (the ONLY place the term VACANCY is used AND THEREFORE THE ONLY TIME IT APPLIES) and that is described in Section C, again AS WRITTEN IN VERBATIM :

Section C. If no CJ Captain position at AMR Eagle, Inc. is available for a furloughed AA pilot, such pilot shall not have any further DIPLACEMENT rights at AMR Eagle, Inc. and shall be furloughed as an AA pilot, with the exception that a furloughed AA pilot who is DISPLACED FROM CJ CAPTAIN STATUS may elect either of the following options :

*There are three, but I'll only list the first as the other two are not pertient to the process of flow-back directly from AA.

1. Such pilot may use seniority accrued at AMR Eagle, Inc. to bid a vacancy or displace at such carrier in accordance with the applicable collective bargaining agreement provided that no AMR Eagle, Inc. pilot on the current Eagle seniority list will be furloughed as a result of this provision consistent with Paragraph IV. K. below or....

You'll note that the language in Section C re-affirmes the term DISPLACEMENT as described in Section A, as the ONLY method of flow-back. It also says that the only person who can DISPLACE a furloughed AA pilot currently flying as CJ Captain is a more senior AA pilot.

Then that displaced AA furloughee/CJ Captain can use his accrued EAGLE seniority to bid a vacancy should that EAGLE seniority hold one (hello SJU ATR F/O).

Actually the next paragraph (2.) provides for 10 years of recall for that displaced AA furloughee/CJ Captain IN REVERSE ORDER OF AA SENIORITY, but he must first accept furlough.

As for the CRJ's, The captain seats are available under the same flow-back rights above, DISPLACEMENT ONLY AND ONLY THOSE JUNIOR TO YOU ON THE AA LIST, A JUNIOR FLOWBACK OR THOSE WITHOUT AN AA SENIORITY NUMBER.

The attempted FORCED transfer of these aircraft have NOTHING to do with letter 3. There are no provisions (or rights to ANY other pilot group) for this action.

As per our SCOPE clause (AA is not the only pilot group with some form of scope), Once an aircraft is placed at Eagle it cannot be transferred unless affected pilots are transferred with them -or- the company sells the aircraft. AMR cannot sell aircraft to themselves, so the option would be transfer of our pilots, in addition to a "cost-neutral" scenario.

You're right about leverage. But THIS TIME Eagle ALPA is on clean ground. It may take court action, but if not defended Eagle will no longer have a valid seniority list.

A pilot group without a seniority list or seniority rights has nothing left worth defending.

There is nothing more dangerous than people with nothing left to lose.

717, your faulty assertions are another example of a total lack of understanding of the latest in a series of major blunders by the APA. I have yet to meet a mainline pilot who has any idea of what Supplement W/Letter 3 is about.

Tell Darrah to SQUANDER his one-item. He'll wish he kept it for something more vital (and rewarding) in the future.

* Note to Eagle pilots, although I'll not comment on what one chooses to post, RULE 32 ONLY applies to employees of YOUR company, not to pilots from other carriers or to someone in a supermarket, etc.

 

[PacoPollo]

LETTER 3 ALL THE WAY.......

 

[PHXFLYR]

After reading some of these AA/TWA/AE posts , I'm gonna have to think long and hard before I put my wife and kids on any of there airplanes.

PHXFLYR

 

[bluesideup1]

Make sure not to wonder over and read the Delta/ASA/Comair/Skywest/**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**aqua or the US air/Jet for Jobs/WO's/non-WO's, or the America West/Mesa/Freedom, etc. Otherwise you will be very limited on who you can stick your family on.

 

[Goose17]

Send em Fed Ex

You can always send them FedEx. Just pad the box and cut some air holes.

I am starting to realize the beauty of flying for a cargo airline.

Goose17

 

[Letter3.org]

I'm finding that, these days, there is no right or wrong in the airline business, there's only leverage.TC

AA717driver

APA is obviously stooping to mgmt's level with regard to Supp W/Letter 3. What is very disappointing is the lack of AA pilots that are outraged by this. The typical response to Eagle pilots from AA pilots is that we should be lucky to get what we have. Anyone who thinks that should flow back to see what "lucky" feels like!

What APA does right and does wrong affects the profession of ALL airline pilots from A to Z. When it only thinks of itself at the expense of trying to sabotage the contract of another labor union - even if it's those Eagle pilots you might say - it's a SAD day for organized labor everywhere!

What we need are leaders that either live up to their word or negotiate a civilized solution to the problems at hand. The kind of leadership that we are seeing now from management and APA is the very lowest form - CAVEMAN. The caveman leads by beating you into submission with his "club" in this case the threat of mass displacements. You follow because you have to, not because you believe in the mission, or in this case the airline.

I would doubt any of us see the virtues of this kind of leadership, but it is PRECISELY the type that has put most of the airline industry into this horrible situation. How so many well-educated people can think this is the best way to run any company or organization is beyond me.

 

[PacoPollo]

Remember AE exists because of APA...Or at least thats what they think..So thats why they come in and Gamble with AE contract.Letter 3 is the answer.

AArogance+,scAAbs=APA

 

[Letter3.org]

Well, whatever the reason for civilized people not living up to written contracts or negotiating a solution to a problem, one can be sure that AMR has a LONG way to go before the average line employee views management with any sense of credibility. In this case, ditto for APA.

This is not a good way for Mr. Arpey to take over. His ability to lead is compromised from the outset. If we ever needed a leader, it is now.

 

[pilot141]

To get back to the OP

The preliminary results of the MOAB are out, and it looks like folks hired in 1999 are safe; anyone hired in 2000 is either gone or so close to being gone as to be worthless. The Dec 99 class will have about 100 people below it when all is said and done. This is based on current manning and planned retirements; any early retirements will reduce the number of furloughs.

Now, please no flames about "A 1903 TWA hire will be furloughed!!", etc. The OP asked about how far back the furloughs would go.....meaning AA new-hire furloughs. The "fairness" of the seniority list has nothing to do with the facts...and in this case, the facts are that anyone hired after 1999 by AA is looking at losing their job (including me).

The ways that AMR management has screwed up could fill volumes; the way that the APA has screwed up could also fill volumes. This thread is not the place for that.

Unfortunately as soon as I post this someone will come along and call me either "AArogant" or a "scAAb" because my paycheck says AA. I'll just direct those comments to that nearby brick wall and have everyone else judge my posts on their merits.

Once again: if you want to discuss APA's, AMR's or ALPA's shortcomings, start a new thread where everyone feels free to pile on. That way you can vent all your pent-up anger without hijacking every single thread that appears with "AA" in the title.

 

[ex nav]

PILOT141,

Thanks for the info. It is very kind of you to take the time to post that info so those of us on the "outside" looking in can know the latest.

If it helps you to know, I feel your pain, as I know exactly how you feel. I was among the first group that was furloughed.

If there is any bright side in any of this, it's you will be at the top when the recalls begin. I pray that they will.

I hope that at the AA pilots (former TWA included) get back just as soon as possible. Hope those that are left at AA can "right the ship" and get it back on course soonest.

Here's to POSITIVE posts and out with the bickering. It's time folks started using their energies for constructive issues.

Good luck and keep the faith.....

 

[pilot141]

ex nav thanks for the words.

Lots of rumors are running around that the furloughs won't go as deep as AA predicted. As I've said before, I won't believe anything now unless I see it, but I remain hopeful. As per company procedure H-1, which states "The company shall hire pilots until it is deemed necessary to furlough pilots, at which time the company will furlough pilots until it is deemed necessary to recall pilots" I expect the last people to be furloughed to be out for only a few months.

I really hope that we can get people back in seats soon; having the twin distinctions of "lowest paid major" and "most pilots on furlough" isn't exactly what I hoped for when I came here.




Note: the line about company procedure H-1 was a joke (hence the smiley face). Do not ask me for a link to CP H-1!

 

[Hagar17]

22 year-old hires

Holdon:

The only outfit that hired "22 year olds" that I know of was TWA. THAT'S why you see so many 35 year-old TWA captains crying about how they "paid their dues." You idiots wouldn't have even been close to holding a left seat anywhere else, so you rolled the dice and stayed with a floundering company in hopes that it would all work out and you would spend 25-30 years of your career as a captain. Now you cry about how you were rooked. You weren't rooked, you lost, just like I lost by not going to class with UPS or SWA.

If TWA was so great, why were there SIX former TWAers in my indoc class, with FIVE in the class before mine, and FOUR in the class after? Kudwa came and spoke to us and joked that TWA couldn't train pilots fast enough for us. Should you be placed on the seniority list ahead of them?

As far as the Eagle moron that called APA guys scabs, you need to understand the meaning of the word before you mouth off. Flowthrough/Flowback is a two-way street, my friend. None of you Eagle guys were complaining about being injected into the AA seniority list when times were good. I'll even venture to say the chance to flowthrough is why you're at Eagle. YOU'RE pissed at something YOUR union agreed to that has now dried up. Sit down and shut up.

Why do I come to this board?

Hagar17
AA Sep '00 hire

 

[WIDEBODY ATR]

HAGAR 17, You obviously don't have a freakin' clue so get your facts straight before you feel justified mouthing off about what Eagle pilots think or should think! The "two-way" street isn't two-way and never was. It's only ONE way, YOUR way and to YOUR benefit, not MINE. I will never benefit from the "agreement" (that you want to arbitrarily and ILLEGALLY change). Unless you consider going from six years as a captain to a lifetime F/O a benefit. So I would suggest educating yourself before you perpetuate the unflattering reputation that AA pilots have. If you object to the term "SCAAB", then don't act like one!

 

[COpilot]

Pilot141, thank you for an informative post. However, could you give me a brief explaination of where the Jr TW CA is on the list, and for kicks a late '87 hire?

To others, PLEASE use the word SCAB correctly! It has nothing to do with the way any of you are using it...

Greg Lewis
Continental Airlines
EX B737CA, now B767FO
DOH 9/87 (after the strike)

 

[Hagar17]

Moron

HAGAR 17, You obviously don't have a freakin' clue so get your facts straight before you feel justified mouthing off about what Eagle pilots think or should think! The "two-way" street isn't two-way and never was. It's only ONE way, YOUR way and to YOUR benefit, not MINE. I will never benefit from the "agreement" (that you want to arbitrarily and ILLEGALLY change). Unless you consider going from six years as a captain to a lifetime F/O a benefit. So I would suggest educating yourself before you perpetuate the unflattering reputation that AA pilots have. If you object to the term "SCAAB", then don't act like one!

Widemouth ATR:

So six years as a captain at Eagle "entitles" you to a job at AA? I DO have a clue because I know that's EXACTLY how you think!! That agreement is of NO benefit to me because I won't EVER flow back to Eagle. As far as my "unflattering reputation" that I share with other AA pilots, I could give a sh!t less! You guys were all for the flowthrough, the flip side of that is flowback. So bend over and take it. Blame ALPA, not me or AA pilots in general.

Sounds like a two-way street to me.

Say that scab smack to me when you're riding an AA jumpseat, jerk. You have no concept of what a scab is. Talk to my best friend's Dad about that (former EAL).

I apologize to the other 99% of Eagle pilots.

 

[Letter3.org]

You guys were all for the flowthrough, the flip side of that is flowback. So bend over and take it. Blame ALPA, not me or AA pilots in general.

Sounds like you're misinformed. ALPA nor the Eagle pilots are the ones trying to make unilateral changes to the flow back. On the contrary, we're trying to make sure Letter 3/Supp W stands as is or that any changes are done in a legitimate way - all parties agree. We know that AA pilots have a right to hundreds of RJ captain seats, but we object to the changes that give recall rights into the RJ for potentially thousands of furloughee!

Letter 3 was negotiated as "limited up, limited back". APA didn't want a free-for-all of Eagle pilots coming over in the good times and we didn't want a free-for-all of AA pilots coming back in bad times. When the Eagle contract was voted in back in '97, we accepted the total package which included Letter 3 as is. Flow Through was a big reason we took the garbage in the rest of the contract For the company and APA to make changes without ALPA's consent is to take away what at the time and maybe in the future will be a contract benefit.

If APA really wants all of the growth captain positions at Eagle, they should start by bringing something of value to the table that would be appealing to the majority of Eagle pilots. In the good times, APA could have easily talked Eagle pilots into being on the bottom of the list, but APA is too proud of their heritage to do something like that. So now they choose to "take" the jobs instead in spite of their "word" when they signed Letter 3. If your union gets away with these changes, they are no better than highway robbers.

That's a despicable way for a labor union to treat another labor union - "union" being the operative word that implies strength through numbers. We have the same management, but APA thinks it has enough numbers to get management's full attention. I guess that's why SCOPE is alive and well and prospering the AA pilots. Keep up the good work and sound Eagle policy APA....

www.letter3.org

 

[PacoPollo]

I Dont have any problems having APA pilots at Eagle, as long as they are AT THE BOTTOM OF OUR LIST. .Do they think they are better or something?
The ball is on ALPA's side.Letter 3 as is or negotiate with AE ALPA
Some agreement that doesnt benefit APA all together.

As for HAGAR17 whats your problem bro..TacoBell wont even hire you with that attitude.

 

[Hagar17]

Paco:

My problem, dude, is being called a "scAAb." I agree that wholesale changes to the flowthrough/flowback agreement are wrong. I was speaking more about Eagle guys that were complaining about the flowback a year-and-a-half ago, right after 9/11. There was an Eagle guy on my Fokker jumpseat that said the few guys that flowed back in 2001 were stealing Eagle pilot's jobs. That is why I appear misinformed. Those few, and I mean few, guys that flowed back to Eagle were exercising a negotiated contractural benefit. APA changing the deal mid-stream is wrong. In my world, a deal's a deal. APA trying to put 2500 guys in Eagle RJ seats is wrong and I won't have any part in supporting that. I am more angry with APA than any Eagle pilot could ever be. My attitude problem is with someone that calls me a scab because of the emblem on my hat.

Letter3, thank you for the level-headed and thoughtful response. I have to hand it to you Eagle guys, you all know your contract. I wish more APA guys paid the same attention to their green book as they do the green you putt on.

Paco, would you like soft or crunchy?

Hag

 

[PacoPollo]

How about a beer

 

[WIDEBODY ATR]

HAGAR 17, You ignorant little puke. Where did I say that being a six year captain "ENTITLED" me to be an AA pilot? You are so freakin' stupid! I said that your ILLEGAL agreement will force me to move BACKWARDS in my OWN company that I was hired at to work. I have no interest in being anywhere near you and your little golf buddies. And for those of you that are cautioning about the use of the word SCAAB, we're being polite in using that term because in actuality, they're much worse! A scab is clearly someone who is willing to ILLEGALLY take someone else's job and that is exactly what will happen to me. Yes, it IS personal and I would LOVE to have you in my jumpseat. I'm sure that would never happen though, because everyone knows that turbo-props and particularly EAGLE turbo-prop pilots are not safe nor smart enough to fly jets. That is what you think, right? Have a nice freakin' day and kiss my a$$