ALPA sues SKYW

[rtmcfi]

This is not a violation of seniority.quote]

If it is not a violation of seniority, what is it?
Quit while your behind......

 

[Minimaniac]

If in 2008 the republican candidate looks like he would win by a landslide, should we as a nation just not have an election? Like ALPA or not, ALPA is at very least fighting to prevent illegal actions by Skywest that would prevent your guaranteed right to organize as a labor group and to seek the best representation available. If in the end you 'westies don't want ALPA, so be it. But do not sit here and give up the legal rights of labor unions that took decades of fighting to secure.

 

[HelloNewman]

If it is not a violation of seniority, what is it?
Quit while your behind......

How about answering the question. If we are not running classes at the time and only one slot is open do you really expect them to run one special class for one person? Do you expect them to pay for 2 months worth of hotels for a TDY while waiting for a pilot to get done with training? Either way is quite unreasonable. It is NOT a violation of seniority.

The most senior ABLE BODIED person is transfered instead of either wasting money on running one special class or wasting money on TDY expenses for a couple months. You complain about how it is a violation of seniority. What are your solutions? How can a union fix this? It is already in the policy manual which is a very reasonable policy. We will probably be done hiring for a little bit sometime this winter. It is absurd to expect the company to run special classes. Do any airlines actually award classes to one person if they aren't doing any hiring at the time?

 

[rtmcfi]

How about answering the question. If we are not running classes at the time and only one slot is open do you really expect them to run one special class for one person? Do you expect them to pay for 2 months worth of hotels for a TDY while waiting for a pilot to get done with training? Either way is quite unreasonable. It is NOT a violation of seniority.

The most senior ABLE BODIED person is transfered instead of either wasting money on running one special class or wasting money on TDY expenses for a couple months. You complain about how it is a violation of seniority. What are your solutions? How can a union fix this? It is already in the policy manual which is a very reasonable policy. We will probably be done hiring for a little bit sometime this winter. It is absurd to expect the company to run special classes. Do any airlines actually award classes to one person if they aren't doing any hiring at the time?

How about you join the rest of us in the real world.
1. When do you see an airline with 2700 pilots stopping training. Unless something awful happens, attrition alone will keep the training department going.

2. In your scenario, the company is going to first crank up the PBS line credit. Next, they will flow other pilots from other domiciles through the base that is short. Ever see someone from DEN or SLC doing turns in and out of ORD? Once that option no longer works, reserves will be doing those trips. Once there is sufficient demand to run a class, it will happen. No one expects, or receives an individual class. I hope you already knew that. I hope you don't really think your fantasy-land scenario is an issue that would come up at OO.

3. If a company places a Jr. plot into a slot that a Sr. pilot wants, it IS an abrogation of seniority. The reasoning behind the move is immaterial. I don't know why you have such a difficult time grasping that. I hope the rest of your life does not find you struggling so mightily to grasp such simple concepts.

 

[skypine69]

newman....
yes...you tdy a reserve to that domicile until the most senior person that wants it is trained. that way the domicile still shows an opening and that senior dude can bid into it. if they award it to whoever is trained, then there is no longer an opening to bid into and the senior person may never get to that domicile. is that right? tdy is a cost of doing business.

 

[HelloNewman]

How about you join the rest of us in the real world.
1. When do you see an airline with 2700 pilots stopping training. Unless something awful happens, attrition alone will keep the training department going.

They do not run non stop classes all the time. People talk about many times since 2000 where they have not run classes all the time. Guess what growth runs out eventually and classes will stop eventually. In fact after the midwest growth is done that will be the end of classes for a while. Attrition also does not last forever. Majors will not always be hiring

2. In your scenario, the company is going to first crank up the PBS line credit. Next, they will flow other pilots from other domiciles through the base that is short. Ever see someone from DEN or SLC doing turns in and out of ORD? Once that option no longer works, reserves will be doing those trips. Once there is sufficient demand to run a class, it will happen. No one expects, or receives an individual class. I hope you already knew that. I hope you don't really think your fantasy-land scenario is an issue that would come up at OO.

so your suggesting you make the entire domicile work more credit than they want while you wait for the person to get through training? Isn't that unfair to the senior guys already there who do not want to work long hours? Again you are suggesting to cause a lot of people to go to the trouble of working extra hours for one person. That isn't fair to the other senior people when there is an able bodied transfer ready and able to work without having to screw over the other senior guys in the domicile. The domiciles you speak of are also large domiciles. I am speaking of the really small domiciles that we have. There is enough movement at SLC, ORD, and DEN to always run classes for those bases. If there isn't enough demand for a class then transfers should be allowed and those with their bids in will have to wait til lots of classes are running again. They know the game.

3. If a company places a Jr. plot into a slot that a Sr. pilot wants, it IS an abrogation of seniority. The reasoning behind the move is immaterial. I don't know why you have such a difficult time grasping that. I hope the rest of your life does not find you struggling so mightily to grasp such simple concepts.

Yes I have known all along technically it is a seniority violation but who cares? It is IN THE POLICY MANUAL. It is simply stupid to inconvienence an entire domicile or TDY people while waiting for one person to get there when someone else is already qualified to transfer there right away. People take seniority too literally. I highly doubt the system was meant to allow one person to wreak havoc on other peoples lives. The most senior person available still gets the transfer. What do they do at airlines that are really small and don't have classes running most of the time?

Lets say your at a small airline that has two bases. Classes are on hold indefinately and you are properly staffed. Lets say one person quits leaving one opening at the more senior base. There is one senior pilot with his upgrade bid in since he doesn't want to commute. There are three other pilots that commute and have their transfer in. What do you expect the company to do run one class for the person? Run short handed Part of seniority is knowing sometimes if you want to be captain you have to suck it up in the junior base for a while before you can transfer back. An airline certainly isn't expected to run one class for one person. The logical and proper thing to do is award the transfer. If you want to wait til they are running classes then that is your choice. It is personal choice to wait it out not a big bad slap in the seniority systems face.

 

[HelloNewman]

newman....
yes...you tdy a reserve to that domicile until the most senior person that wants it is trained. that way the domicile still shows an opening and that senior dude can bid into it. if they award it to whoever is trained, then there is no longer an opening to bid into and the senior person may never get to that domicile. is that right? tdy is a cost of doing business.

So you are saying they should run a class for one person if they are not running classes for a while? Sometimes they are only running emb classes, sometimes only RJ classes. Eventually the growth will stop and classes won't be run every 3 weeks like they are now. If a senior person wants the base then he is going to have to upgrade and take the transfer when he can hold it or risk being an FO forever. It is silly to eat the costs of TDY when an ableboied person is ready 2 transfer

 

[rtmcfi]

I will try to keep this short.

Attrition also does not last forever. Majors will not always be hiring

Your whole fairy-tale is based on attrition. Without attrition, your imaginary spot in PSP never opened up. Thus, no open spot, no training requirement, and this thread is about 2 pages shorter. Attrition is not due only to people moving on. People eventually move out of their parents home, get old, then die. This would also be known as attrition. This would create a training cycle.

so your suggesting you make the entire domicile work more credit than they want while you wait for the person to get through training? Isn't that unfair to the senior guys already there who do not want to work long hours? Again you are suggesting to cause a lot of people to go to the trouble of working extra hours for one person.

I'm not suggesting it, it already happens. It is one of the biggest reasons that companies push so hard for PBS. What did your non-legally recognised bargaining agent get for you in return?

There is enough movement at SLC, ORD, and DEN to always run classes for those bases

Guess what growth runs out eventually and classes will stop eventually

So which is it? Since when do airlines run special classes for specific domeciles? Think back to when you were hired. Was your class just for ORD FOs? Is all of life this difficult for you to understand? Are you sure you are a pilot? You fail to grasp even the most basic things about how an airline works.

Yes I have known all along technically it is a seniority violation

Why do you keep insisting otherwise?

but who cares?

Pretty much anyone involved in a seniority system.
Pretty much everyone that is a pilot.

I think this horse is thoroughly been flogged.........

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Quote Newman-The safest way to keep our contracts is to wait and see what other airlines get first then match pretty close to what they get.

And let them pay the 2% and spend years negotiating something good so we can spend a few more years "catching up" by riding the the coat tails of their work.

Newman - I seriously doubt you've done any military time. You're probably the guy who would hide in the foxhole {that's a ditch you dig to stay away from the bullits}, and come out cheering "We Won!" after the battle.

Do you also let someone else get your "significant other" worked up for you?

 

[Ski Bum]

Well said! I hate to say it, but Newman's attitude is quite prevalent at SKYW. Lots of people are content to let other UNION airlines raise the bar and then follow it up. Pretty selfish.

As for the other arguments about show me a list of people who got fired... Who needs a list? If 1 pilot (DD) out of our 2600 was fired without just cause then that is enough. What if that one pilot were you?

 

[HelloNewman]

They only run classes for domiciles that have openings, duh. If there is only one opening and no classes going then they are not going to hold a class they will run a transfer. If there is an able bodied pilot ready to go now why wait while this person is in class? Remember some months attrition here is high other months its not. Eventually classes do stop and an opening in PSP for CAs only comes once in a blue moon. Sometimes when a small domicile has had an opening they have not been running classes. That is life. They also shouldnt have to run short handed just to wait for some senior dude to get there. He will just have to upgrade and transfer when his seniority can hold it.

I'm not suggesting it, it already happens. It is one of the biggest reasons that companies push so hard for PBS. What did your non-legally recognised bargaining agent get for you in return?

More days off, more flexibility, better schedule, better QOL, need I say more? Hands down my schedule is better than it would have been under the hard line system. I don't have to screw my whole month up to get one day off that I happen to need. I don't have to choose one type of trip for the entire month. What else do you want in return? If ALPA was here I am sure they would be asking for some unreasonable thing.

Well said! I hate to say it, but Newman's attitude is quite prevalent at SKYW. Lots of people are content to let other UNION airlines raise the bar and then follow it up. Pretty selfish.

As for the other arguments about show me a list of people who got fired... Who needs a list? If 1 pilot (DD) out of our 2600 was fired without just cause then that is enough. What if that one pilot were you?

It is not selfish it is simply good buisness practice. The union guys make the choice to use their union dues to try to get better contracts. Not our faults for riding on the coat tails since it is still a free market. If that one pilot were me I would do exactly what DD did. I would get a good lawyer and make millions and laugh my way to the bank. He will end up making out like a bandit. If we had a union he would simply get his job back and go back to paying dues.

 

[Ski Bum]

Why don't you get off the computer right now and call DD and ask him if he would rather have the settlment he will get from SKYW, or his job back and had never to go through this whole experience? I already know his answer, but I guess since he won't have to pay union dues he will be okay.

 

[rtmcfi]

Clueless, as well as hopeless. Welcome to my ignore list. It is short, and gets very little use. Sound familiar??? I have grown weary of correcting your numerous inaccuracies. Have fun at your next sim.

 

[Ski Bum]

More days off, more flexibility, better schedule, better QOL, need I say more? Hands down my schedule is better than it would have been under the hard line system.

Nope you aren't selfish. Ask some junior guys how they like their schedules.

The idea behind a union is to bring EVERYONE up. Not leave out 25% of the pilot group from a pay package, or sacrifice junior schedules to PBS so that top guys can get dream schedules.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

More days off, more flexibility, better schedule, better QOL, need I say more? Hands down my schedule is better than it would have been under the hard line system.

Nope you aren't selfish. Ask some junior guys how they like their schedules.

The idea behind a union is to bring EVERYONE up. Not leave out 25% of the pilot group from a pay package, or sacrifice junior schedules to PBS so that top guys can get dream schedules.

It's not just the junior skeds that are being sacrificed...I'm in one of those small senior domiciles that Newwoman keeps flapping his gums about and I've had at least 1 and usually 2 or 3 forced pairings on my bid every month since we went with PBS. Not to mention, our existing pairings would be a lot better if they didn't keep having crews from other domiciles(junior to us) not only doing some of our flying but costing the company money in additional unnecessary hotel costs!!!

 

[goodpilotithink]

Simple question....
Why would you not want a contract? It spells out everything in black and white.
Do you not think the company execs fighting ALPA at Skywest have signed contracts?
Sure they do. But whats good for them is seen as something you don't need.
You think they would agree if the BOD said "TRUST US", We will take care of you, we don't need a formal contract?

 

[Bako Cap]

3. Again you speak from paranoia not facts. Has anyone at SkyWest ever been unfairly bumped ahead in seniority? The only seniority bumps that happen are those who have been SkyWest employees before. They goto the head of the class in seniority but still have the same DOH as everyone else. It has not happened yet. The airline has been pretty good about honoring the seniority system. Some people will speak of the bucket system. That system is simply the most efficent way to use reserves. Why use 3 reserves to cover one 4 day trip when you can use one reserve in the 4 day bucket to cover the entire trip. Seniority is still honored within the bucket. This is how reserve should have been all along. 1 day bucket does locals, 2 day bucket does 2 days etc. etc. This is a reasonable efficent way to do reserve..

I just answered that you were wrong about unfair bumping out of seniority.

Now my honest answer.
When I mentioned that out of seniority happened in FAT, at the time, FAT was a growing base and SkyWest had firm orders for dozens of CRJs (several a month). Not the small stagnent CRJ base that it is today. VERY POOR planning by SGU cost many senior pilots to lose out on the pay difference between the E120 and the CRJ. One pilot who was senior to me spent over 6 months getting bypassed by pilots whom on the first day of training for SLC would put in for FAT and be awarded FAT before finishing ground school. I will say that SGU tried to do right by seniority, but would bypass due to a failure and lack of planning on their part.

Your next example of a quick filling of a base vacancy is only valid if the company isn't staffed properly. If a base cannot operate with the loss of one pilot then the base is not staffed properly. Once again poor planning by crew planning. Not an individual pilots falut, and that pilot should not be penalized for SGU's mistakes.

 

[Bako Cap]

The idea behind a union is to bring EVERYONE up. Not leave out 25% of the pilot group from a pay package, or sacrifice junior schedules to PBS so that top guys can get dream schedules.

The idea behind communism also sounds great on paper. But alas, it seems that the rich always get richer and the poorer get poorer. Ask around any airline union and there will be many stories of the senior pilots screwing the junior or newly merged pilots for their own gain. For an example; search for arguments about the change in age 60-65 rules, or the relief of jet scope clauses which brought out the proliferation of the lower paid regional pilots. You will find that the senior pilots always got to the fruit tree first and to the junior be damned. Pilot seniority system nature.

Other than that, I agree your statement sounds like a great reason and goal for a unified group. (no sarcasm)

 

[BigLebowski]

I hate to partake in this post again but there are some things being misrepresented here again.

The issue of "events" happening out of seniority. At my previous employer, which was ALPA there was an event that comes to mind when one base started going senior while the other junior. Some "shifting" around of lines, etc. started taking place and senior pilots at one domicile were bumped to reserve. These pilots put in transfer requests for a junior base and were denied. Meanwhile the company was hiring new pilots and the new guys were going to the junior base and were holding lines out of class...all the while senior guys were not allowed to transfer into this domicile.

When it was brought to ALPA's attention they said they were "looking into it". Nothing ever came of it, those pilots were stuck at that base on reserve until they got lines again.

How could this happen with "union protection?"

 

[BigLebowski]

Here's another scenario...Mesa constantly upgrades out of seniority as well as hires street Captains.

They also discriminate against employees based on their aircraft. Example, the EMB145 base in Dulles goes junior. At Mesa, if you are on an aircraft and you go to upgrade on that aircraft they run an "shortened" upgrade. i.e., 4 days of ground school, and I belive 3 sims. Now if you are on the CRJ or another aircraft and want to upgrade on another aircraft you are constantly bypassed because you won't be able to do the "shortened" training.

How can this possibly happen at a union carrier???

 

[Ski Bum]

The short answer is that these things are happening because they are not directly addressed in the contract. I am not overly familiar with MAG contract, but if this issue is addressed then it needs to hammered out in the grievance process.

Union protection only protects what is written in the contract. If a new issue comes up then the union meets with management to come up with a TA that is on point for the new issue.

Bottom line is that whatever your previous experiences were with your pilot's union (teamsters, alpa, independent), your experience with a union here at SKYW is bound to be different. We are a different pilot group, different managment, and we would be new union. We don't know what managements' reaction to a union will be. We don't know what our first contract will be like. We don't know a lot. We do know that with a framework of legal representation it is up to us to become unified and put into a place a strong contract that protects us from the situations we face now and situations we might face in the future.

 

[BigLebowski]

The short answer is that these things are happening because they are not directly addressed in the contract. I am not overly familiar with MAG contract, but if this issue is addressed then it needs to hammered out in the grievance process.

Union protection only protects what is written in the contract. If a new issue comes up then the union meets with management to come up with a TA that is on point for the new issue.

Bottom line is that whatever your previous experiences were with your pilot's union (teamsters, alpa, independent), your experience with a union here at SKYW is bound to be different. We are a different pilot group, different managment, and we would be new union. We don't know what managements' reaction to a union will be. We don't know what our first contract will be like. We don't know a lot. We do know that with a framework of legal representation it is up to us to become unified and put into a place a strong contract that protects us from the situations we face now and situations we might face in the future.

I like how you said that union protection on ly protects what is written in the contract.

ok....well at my former company, the pilots were only allowed to be "madatory junior manned" up to 3 times a year. The company would do this and after three times tell the pilot on the phone that they will do it and to just "file a grievance with the union". So the pilot then would file a grievance. When you called to check up on the status...you would hear: "The MEC is busy addressing other issues right now, we will get back to you as soon as we have an answer". You would never hear back.

Why is this??? It was written in our contract!!! I can pull out more examples if you'd like of "written contracts" that were continually violated by the company and the union did NOTHING!!!.

 

[ArcticFlier]

I like how you said that union protection on ly protects what is written in the contract.

ok....well at my former company, the pilots were only allowed to be "madatory junior manned" up to 3 times a year. The company would do this and after three times tell the pilot on the phone that they will do it and to just "file a grievance with the union". So the pilot then would file a grievance. When you called to check up on the status...you would hear: "The MEC is busy addressing other issues right now, we will get back to you as soon as we have an answer". You would never hear back.

Why is this??? It was written in our contract!!! I can pull out more examples if you'd like of "written contracts" that were continually violated by the company and the union did NOTHING!!!.

Sounds to me like the MEC at your former airline needed to be replaced.........

 

[Ski Bum]

Why is this??? It was written in our contract!!! I can pull out more examples if you'd like of "written contracts" that were continually violated by the company and the union did NOTHING!!!.

That sucks. It sounds like your MEC let you down and it was their job to address your grievances in a timely manner. It was also your job as a member to hold your MEC accountable. Just like union protection can only protect whats in the contract, your contract is only as strong as the pilots/MEC who back it up. You shouldn't have recurring problems with "fly it and grieve it." You should be able to call your LEC / MEC rep who then speaks to the company to set the record straight ahead of time. A good MEC should be proactive instead of reactive and it is the job of every member to vote in a good MEC / LEC.

At my former company, very few issues became problematic because our grievances were handled quickly and fairly. Our MEC did a great job in meeting with the company and resolving problems. If they couldn't be resolved then it would go to arbitration. After that the interpretation of the written contract was clear to both sides.

 

[Obi-Wan]

I hate to partake in this post again but there are some things being misrepresented here again.

The issue of "events" happening out of seniority. At my previous employer, which was ALPA there was an event that comes to mind when one base started going senior while the other junior. Some "shifting" around of lines, etc. started taking place and senior pilots at one domicile were bumped to reserve. These pilots put in transfer requests for a junior base and were denied. Meanwhile the company was hiring new pilots and the new guys were going to the junior base and were holding lines out of class...all the while senior guys were not allowed to transfer into this domicile.

When it was brought to ALPA's attention they said they were "looking into it". Nothing ever came of it, those pilots were stuck at that base on reserve until they got lines again.

How could this happen with "union protection?"

Its called bidding dude. transfers are at company discretion or you can base trade with another pilot. You can bid for the position and after it is awarded you will advance. Its stated in our contract that the company needs to have at least 2 bids per year. Did you ever read your contract during the few months that you spent at that carrier? What did the contract say?

 

[Obi-Wan]

Here's another scenario...Mesa constantly upgrades out of seniority as well as hires street Captains.

They also discriminate against employees based on their aircraft. Example, the EMB145 base in Dulles goes junior. At Mesa, if you are on an aircraft and you go to upgrade on that aircraft they run an "shortened" upgrade. i.e., 4 days of ground school, and I belive 3 sims. Now if you are on the CRJ or another aircraft and want to upgrade on another aircraft you are constantly bypassed because you won't be able to do the "shortened" training.

How can this possibly happen at a union carrier???

What does the contract say?

 

[Obi-Wan]

I like how you said that union protection on ly protects what is written in the contract.

ok....well at my former company, the pilots were only allowed to be "madatory junior manned" up to 3 times a year. The company would do this and after three times tell the pilot on the phone that they will do it and to just "file a grievance with the union". So the pilot then would file a grievance. When you called to check up on the status...you would hear: "The MEC is busy addressing other issues right now, we will get back to you as soon as we have an answer". You would never hear back.

Why is this??? It was written in our contract!!! I can pull out more examples if you'd like of "written contracts" that were continually violated by the company and the union did NOTHING!!!.

This is not true as I have frinds At Mesa that have filed a grievance and got taken care of. Mesa or whatever airline its your job to follow up on your grievance. It takes some time.

 

[Brazilgun]

Okay I've come up with 3 off the top of my head...

1. A written contract that would be binding on a successor
2. Only be subject to discipline for "just cause" - With an appeal path all the way to the Supreme Court.
3. Right to force the company to negotiate with you in "good faith" or face self-help.

You mentioned Com Air, Mesa, and ASA

Mesa - work rules/pay sucks, but they ended up utilizing a LOT of negotiating capital getting a solid scope and all of the MAG pilot-groups under one contract. They will have much more leverage the next time. Pilots only bitch about pay rates/work rules, but there is a reason Scope is Section 1 of every ALPA pilot contract.

ASA - what about them? The way I see it, it is your beloved management that is putting the screws to this pilot group. If your management had it their way, there would be no ASA pilot group...their contract-and the fact they were unionized is the only thing that is keeping your management from ramming your payrates/workrules down their throats.

ComAir - There company went bankrupt, it had nothing to do with ALPA. They spent the last few years with an industry (regional industry) leading contract.

Let me ask you this...

If the Skywest pilots were themselves on the receiving end...

What would stop management from suddenly cutting your pay rates say...UAL cancelled your code-share?

Say Skywest had to furlough, what would stop your management from furloughing for convinience instead of seniority? Let's see, that Midwest deal didn't work out...let's close the Milwaukee base - all Milwaukee pilots are furloughed regardless of seniority. Do you think the rest of your non-furloughed pilots would put up a fight?

If Skywest were bought by another carrier - say Mesa, what would stop Mesa from dissolving your pilot group and giving you a "take it or leave it" proposition. Maybe you will be lucky and they will give you a preferential interview. I'll give you a hint, the answer is a 7 letter word that starts with n and ends in g n_ _ _ _ _ g!

Funny...
Binding contract???
We saw what happened at Delta, United, Northwest, etc... When things hit the fan, where was ALPA to stand up for their contract they had signed years prior? People have the notion that once you signed your contract, everything will follow 100%. We all know that's not the case, so don't give me that lame excuse.

You also sound like ASA was the place to be prior to SKYW buying them. People hated there when was owned by Delta. Though I don't agree with things that SKYW management are doing to them now, I just don't see how ALPA is the answer.

Your argument has no basis about UNITED and Skywest losing their flight. If , and there is a big if, were to happen, I guarantee you if management wanted to impose a pay cut, it would happen. ALPA or not. We all saw what happened to MESABA. It is just bull to believe that ALPA will fight for you and will stand up for everything that is on the contract.

Skywest management, even though far from perfect, has always tried to do an OK job running this airline. Now they are portraited to be the devil in person, and without ALPA we will all get F***** in the butt.

How come ALPA doesn't report where the money goes? What happened to my 2% I had taken away from my family and given to ALPA? Where did it go?
What do they do with it?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I like how you said that union protection on ly protects what is written in the contract.

ok....well at my former company, the pilots were only allowed to be "madatory junior manned" up to 3 times a year. The company would do this and after three times tell the pilot on the phone that they will do it and to just "file a grievance with the union". So the pilot then would file a grievance. When you called to check up on the status...you would hear: "The MEC is busy addressing other issues right now, we will get back to you as soon as we have an answer". You would never hear back.

Why is this??? It was written in our contract!!! I can pull out more examples if you'd like of "written contracts" that were continually violated by the company and the union did NOTHING!!!.

Sounds like someone who did not go to any local meeting, or work on any comittees. POS who instead of standing tall and working towards a better future for his co-workers, said fukkit, I am going to SKYW for the quick upgrade. Guess what? You are gonna be swinging the gear for a former ASA F/O, and guess what I hope it happens that way, because they paid their dues the hard way, you took the easy way, leaving your co-workers hanging, because you are too greedy for the fast upgrade.
PUTO
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Do you also let someone else get your "significant other" worked up for you?

In the porn industry that person is called a fluffer, newwomans boyfriend prefers the fluffer to newwomans two popsicle sticks withh a rubber band to hold it all hard enough for fudge packing.
PBR
somthin' 'bout splinters, I guess