ALPA fails at JB

[DonVerita]

Condolences JB guys. As a Major airline, you need to have union representation. ALPA may not be perfect, but what in life is? They are the best out there.

Obviously a fear/misinformation campaign was started by some within your ranks. Communication and Education are what overcomes fear mongering.

Definately try again in the near future and be wary that Republicans are trying to change the NLRB rules back to the old days where a non-vote counts as a "No" vote, unlike today where a non-vote is simply not counted as a vote at all.

 

[DonVerita]

Not really seeing the advantage here at AirTran. Maybe he's thinking of the theoretical ALPA; It's the one everybody votes for and never sees.

What!? Where have you been for the last 2 years? AAI pilots are in a much better position with ALPA on board. The in-house NPA was more corrupt than Louisana politics and was worthless to boot.

We now have structure, communication, a team of lawyers, and deep pocket resources.

What did we have under NPA or would we have had with no union representation? Answer: Zero

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Is being ALPA in an M/A better?

Quit stirring the pot Charlie. I recognize you from the hundreds of BS East/West threads on FI and I know where you are going with your not so subtle innocent questions. The last thing the JB guy's need or want is advice from any of the retreads on this board who represent US Airways (Both East and West). Best of luck to the folks at JB in your continued fight for representation.

 

[dicko]

Would you be better off without a CBA? Or maybe the NPA is more to your taste? Puhleese.

We were talking about M&A. I'm telling you that ALPA doesn't appear to help. Here's a list of recent wins that ALPA has been a part of;

1. USAIR and Am West. - Disaster

2. TWA and American. - Sued and Convicted of DFR

3. AirTran and SWA. - Steamrolled and on the verge of a staple

4. CAL and United - Jury is still out. Not looking rosy.

 

[charlie2]

Quit stirring the pot Charlie. I recognize you from the hundreds of BS East/West threads on FI and I know where you are going with your not so subtle innocent questions. The last thing the JB guy's need or want is advice from any of the retreads on this board who represent US Airways (Both East and West). Best of luck to the folks at JB in your continued fight for representation.

I apologized for my ignorance already. I thought they had an in house union and now that I know that they don't I agree that ALPA is far better than none.

 

[Blue Dude]

We were talking about M&A.

So was I. Think a M&A without a CBA is better than ALPA?

 

[dicko]

So was I. Think a M&A without a CBA is better than ALPA?

No, and I don't think ALPA is the only way to get a CBA .... Right ?
An ALPA CBA usually has holes in it large enough to walk through.

 

[LaGarbage Man]

Yeah I saw your apology after I posted. My turn to apologize for my assumptions. I just do not want to see this thread deteriorate into another US Air (East/West) ALPA Sucks no USAPA sucks more, thread that almost is inevitable.

 

[charlie2]

No, and I don't think ALPA is the only way to get a CBA .... Right ?
An ALPA CBA usually has holes in it large enough to walk through.

CBA can mean Collective Barganing Agent or Agreement.

 

[charlie2]

Yeah I saw your apology after I posted. My turn to apologize for my assumptions. I just do not want to see this thread deteriorate into another US Air (East/West) ALPA Sucks no USAPA sucks more, thread that almost is inevitable.

I promise I wont.

 

[Dornier 335]

go fork yourself.

Classic! :laugh: Sounds painful, too.

 

[Blue Dude]

No, and I don't think ALPA is the only way to get a CBA .... Right ?
An ALPA CBA usually has holes in it large enough to walk through.

Lovely. Another way? That never occurred to me. [/sarcasm] Tried in-house, tried ALPA. Got at least another year before a vote. In the meantime, we're the largest, most completely naked pilot group the industry has ever seen this side of a bankruptcy and liquidation. I'm out of ideas, what's yours?

 

[vetrider]

We were talking about M&A. I'm telling you that ALPA doesn't appear to help. Here's a list of recent wins that ALPA has been a part of;

1. USAIR and Am West. - Disaster

2. TWA and American. - Sued and Convicted of DFR

3. AirTran and SWA. - Steamrolled and on the verge of a staple

4. CAL and United - Jury is still out. Not looking rosy.

Yeah, but Alpo is the best.

 

[dicko]

Lovely. Another way? That never occurred to me. [/sarcasm] Tried in-house, tried ALPA. Got at least another year before a vote. In the meantime, we're the largest, most completely naked pilot group the industry has ever seen this side of a bankruptcy and liquidation. I'm out of ideas, what's yours?

I got nothing I've tried yours and it's not working out too well.

My original point was the lack of success of ALPA in M&A. That was all.

 

[Flyer1015]

Look at the bright side.................... now you don't get a 1.95% paycut.