ALPA/401k revisited

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Can anyone defend why ALPA needs more dues? Have they earned it? Has the President taken a paycut?

Perhaps anyone one of the ALPA delegates from the appropriate BOD that voted for the resolution that authorized the compensation package...can.

It's easier to tax a second year regional FO more than for the President to take a paycut.....

Once agian, the Board of Directors who voted on ALPA President compensation will vote on the 401k/dues structure...

The Board of Directors are elected by the very members that may or may not be effected by this new dues structure. Traditionally, about 1/3 of said members bother to particapte in democractic elections for the BOD members.

Kinda hard to ask a second year FO to pay more while the President of ALPA makes over $400,000 per year plus gets an ALPA pension plan....

A member will be effected by this via a represenative, that there is a 2/3 chance that said member didn't bother to particapte to vote for...

How's that for misrepresentational democracy...


May the members rise to fend for themselves and ensure the will of the people....

This fall is another one of those pesky and annoying Board of Directors meetings.

 

[SplitBar]

Do the ALPA National officers still get their brand new Luxury automobile every 2 years on our dime? Time to start trimming some of the fat in ALPA. WAY too much thriftless spending going on and we all know it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Do the ALPA National officers still get their brand new Luxury automobile every 2 years on our dime? Time to start trimming some of the fat in ALPA. WAY too much thriftless spending going on and we all know it.

ALPA President gets a Lincoln Town Car.....

Just like govt.....easier to raise taxes than to cut fat.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA President gets a Lincoln Town Car.....

Could he afford a Lincoln on his CAL pay?

What should he wear to Congressional testimony? Wrangler jeans and shop shirt with his name embroidered?

Just like govt.....easier to raise taxes than to cut fat.....

Just like gov't.... the voters don't vote yet they expect the elected to know what they want...

Face it... democracy is dead.... members want the benefits but they don't want to work for it, let alone vote...... easier to blame those one didn't bother to vote for...

 

[SplitBar]

Could he afford a Lincoln on his CAL pay?

What should he wear to Congressional testimony? Wrangler jeans and shop shirt with his name embroidered?



Just like gov't.... the voters don't vote yet they expect the elected to know what they want...

Face it... democracy is dead.... members want the benefits but they don't want to work for it, let alone vote...... easier to blame those one didn't bother to vote for...

Does he need a brand new Town Car? Also, it doesn't take a $400K salary to look sharp in front of congress and I'm sure they could care less about what kind of vehicle he pulls up in.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Face it... democracy is dead..

I wish you were right....Constitutional Republic is a better way to go....Mob rule can be dangerous....yet democratic.....Haven't we had this debate before?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Does he need a brand new Town Car?

Nope. If bothers you so much then raise the issue thru the democratic process.

Also, it doesn't take a $400K salary to look sharp in front of congress and I'm sure they could care less about what kind of vehicle he pulls up in.

Can you reference the 400K value?

Should he expense his suits? Our uniforms are....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Pay based on average book rates, top three ALPA carriers $295,816 ($298.19/hr at 82.67 hours per month)

Presidential Override at 26% of above $76,912

Total Base Compensation $372,728

National Officer Service Allowance 2003 (adjusted for CPI) $40,000

Total Pay $412,728

Pension 5% per year of service, max 60% of Total Base Compensation, providing for single premium annuity commencing at age 55 or termination of office whichever is later. 8 yrs service = 40% X $372,728 = $149,091.20 per year. 12 years service = 60% X $372,728 = $223,636.80 per year.

If the National Officer maintains a primary residence outside the Washington DC area and has not received a relocation allowance, shall be eligible to receive a national Officer Dislocation Allowance. President, Housing Incumbent $4,500 (New $5,750) per month. Meals $1,500 per month. Travel & Incidental $1,500 per month.

Automobiles, President- new Lincoln LS or similar cost American/North American made automobile every two years. All costs including aquisition costs(lease or purchase), maintenance, insurance, tags and vehicle related taxes are to be paid by the Association.

 

[Nevets]

ALPA Board of Directors Considers Constitution Change

Starting July 28, the ALPA Board of Directors will be voting on a change to the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws. If approved by two-thirds of the BOD, this change would make all pilot salary deferrals to 401(k) pension plans subject to dues. This would replace existing policy—currently pilot contributions to 401(k) plans are exempt from dues only if the 401(k) is the pilot’s only pension plan—and would both clarify ALPA policy and ensure that it applies consistently to members across the Association. The proposed revision was strongly endorsed by the Executive Council and Executive Board. Please watch this video outlining why this vote matters to all ALPA members.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

An inaccurate statement on your part and only shows your lack of information on the issue. You are not aloof are you?

Rez, I am not going to engage you like to others, because it is painfully obvious that your inflated sense of self prohibits you from hearing any viewpoint other then your own. So there's really no point in debating with someone who can never be wrong. Go ahead and chalk it up to my "inexperience" in this industry and with the issues, or my "aloofness", seeing as you know so much about me and all... You know, because since I just signed up in March I must be new to the industry, right?

Go ahead and fix ALPA for everybody. We're all counting on you.

Smooches
~BOX

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, I am not going to engage you like to others, because it is painfully obvious that your inflated sense of self prohibits you from hearing any viewpoint other then your own. So there's really no point in debating with someone who can never be wrong. Go ahead and chalk it up to my "inexperience" in this industry and with the issues, or my "aloofness", seeing as you know so much about me and all... You know, because since I just signed up in March I must be new to the industry, right?

Go ahead and fix ALPA for everybody. We're all counting on you.

Smooches
~BOX

Note the smily face to indicate a sense of neutrality and not a personal jab...in my quote above...


Look the fact is... our union is a representative democracy. The key to effectiveness is participation and an understanding that elections on the issues will result in up to 49% of the participants unhappy.

But what else are we to do? Reject self government? Embrace socialism/communism/dictatorships.

We have the ability to voice our wishes, wants and needs yet we don't in our union. All while being aloof we expect our (un)elected leadership to "do the right thing, at the right time for the right reason."

Well.....define.. what is right..... it is incredibly subjective... especially when we do not participate.

Communication is the key to any successful relationship....

 

[McNugget]

It must be lonely for you, with PCL sent to "Federal Pound Me in the A$$ Prison."

 

[JoeMerchant]

We have the ability to voice our wishes, wants and needs yet we don't in our union. All while being aloof we expect our (un)elected leadership to "do the right thing, at the right time for the right reason."

Well.....define.. what is right..... it is incredibly subjective... especially when we do not participate.

Communication is the key to any successful relationship....

The pilots are voicing their wishes on this issue....the overwelming majority don't want their dues to go up...You just don't like what they are saying and once again you blame those who pay the bills....

The problem isn't with the bill payers....it is with the leadership.....

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

The pilots are voicing their wishes on this issue....the overwelming majority don't want their dues to go up...You just don't like what they are saying and once again you blame those who pay the bills....

The problem isn't with the bill payers....it is with the leadership.....

Flightinfo is an "overwhelming majority"?

And,

Why does everyone here sound like Anakin Skywalker?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Flightinfo is an "overwhelming majority"?

And,

Why does everyone here sound like Anakin Skywalker?

Actually...no FI has more ALPA supporters than the average crew lounge....This 401k dues increase has done more to fire up pilots than anything I have ever seen.....Typical clueless ALPA politicians can't even see it....then they wonder why pilots don't support them......

Duane Woerth is getting almost 200K a year in ALPA pension and we are going tax second year regional FOs more to pay for it.....Then the cheerleaders wonder why there isn't support for ALPA.....

 

[imacdog]

Flightinfo is an "overwhelming majority"?

And,

Why does everyone here sound like Anakin Skywalker?

Go ahead and take a poll in your crew room. Let us know the results. Wanna guess what the results will be?

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Found on another board. These ALPA National guys need to take a look in the mirror. Every single person there makes more than all of us pilots (Regionals, anyhow):

Duane Woerth President $ 351,186 $ 136,744 $ 487,930
Jalmer Johnson General Manager $ 389,238 $ 4,532 $ 393,770

Bruce York Dir Representation $ 348,955 $ 35,617 $ 384,572
Jonathan Cohen Chief Counsel&dir, Legal $ 366,736 $ 3,213 $ 369,949

Don Skiados Director, Communications $ 306,635 $ 4,752 $ 311,387
Kevin Barnhurst Director, Finance $ 309,429 $ 1,729 $ 311,158

Paul Hallisay Director, Gov't Affairs $ 295,943 $ 6,195 $ 302,138
William Roberts Asst Dir Representation $ 287,391 $ 11,944 $ 299,335

Jim Johnson Managing Attorney, Legal $ 277,013 $ 19,828 $ 296,841
Stephen Crable Asst Dir Representation $ 266,107 $ 17,407 $ 283,514

Seth Rosen Director, Ipsc $ 236,488 $ 46,862 $ 283,350
Keith Hagy Director Eng & Air Safety $ 268,112 $ 4,410 $ 272,522

Jeffrey Small Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 238,517 $ 32,145 $ 270,662
Gene Granof Managing Attorney, Legal $ 264,519 $ 4,443 $ 268,962

Liz Koby Managing Attorney $ 244,656 $ 18,328 $ 262,984
Jerry Anker Managing Attorney, Legal $ 261,212 $ 1,764 $ 262,976

Jim Wilson Asst Dir Representation $ 251,189 $ 11,582 $ 262,771
Dave Vance Director, Retir & Ins $ 257,048 $ 3,391 $ 260,439

Ana Mcahron-schulz Director,econ&fin Anal $ 211,946 $ 27,592 $ 239,538
Bob Christy Mgr, Economic&financial $ 211,096 $ 23,513 $ 234,609
Robert Nichols Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 225,090 $ 6,477 $ 231,567
Patrick Brennaman Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 226,442 $ 3,021 $ 229,463
Russ Bailey Senior Attorney $ 223,322 $ 2,825 $ 226,147
Stephen Nagrotsky Sr Contract Administrator $ 209,270 $ 7,402 $ 216,672
Russell Woody Sr Benefits Attorney $ 205,382 $ 10,019 $ 215,401
Richard Domholt Sr Contract Administrator $ 200,764 $ 12,612 $ 213,376
Charlie Murphy Director, It & Service $ 208,715 $ 1,047 $ 209,762
Marcus Migliore Senior Attorney $ 203,160 $ 852 $ 204,012
Clay Warner Senior Attorney $ 201,639 $ 1,900 $ 203,539
Bob Lipsey Pension Inv Coordinator $ 181,595 $ 18,251 $ 199,846
Art La Flamme Sr Representative $ 184,738 $ 11,416 $ 196,154
Steve Hodgson Sr Field Representative $ 180,438 $ 9,282 $ 189,720
John Schleder Sr Contract Administrator $ 183,983 $ 3,517 $ 187,500
Rob Plunkett Sr Contract Administrator $ 184,118 $ 1,422 $ 185,540
William Elliott Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 180,241 $ 4,396 $ 184,637
Frank Voyack Sr Legislative Rep $ 180,939 $ 3,392 $ 184,331
Jeffrey Macdonald Supv, Collective Bargain $ 165,443 $ 17,421 $ 182,864
Brendan Kenny Sr Legislative Rep $ 181,339 $ 1,425 $ 182,764
Art Luby Sr Contract Administrator $ 175,308 $ 5,955 $ 181,263
Dennis Dolan First Vice-president $ 0 $ 180,874 $ 180,874
Jane Schraft Sr Contract Administrator $ 177,005 $ 3,222 $ 180,227
Betty Ginsburg Senior Attorney $ 177,944 $ 2,106 $ 180,050
Victoria Fortuna Sr Benefits Attorney $ 176,673 $ 2,769 $ 179,442
Jim Medley Mgr, Systems Development $ 174,138 $ 188 $ 174,326
David Holtzman Sr Contract Administrator $ 165,286 $ 8,232 $ 173,518
Suzanne Kalfus Senior Attorney $ 168,913 $ 2,692 $ 171,605
Gary Dinunno Supv,airline Pilot Mag $ 170,308 $ 1,000 $ 171,308 <-------- This guy makes this much to put together the little magazine you get at home
Kevin Fitzpatrick Sr. Contract Admin. $ 170,423 $ 0 $ 170,423
Richard Harrell Manager, It-dev Sup $ 168,590 $ 1,432 $ 170,022
Jerry Wright Mgr, Security&human Perf $ 166,031 $ 2,763 $ 168,794
James Connolly Field Representative $ 160,354 $ 5,300 $ 165,654
Joan (jody) Bettenburg Sr Contract Admin $ 164,226 $ 1,230 $ 165,456
Darrell Green Sr Contract Administrator $ 159,038 $ 4,844 $ 163,882
Bill Edmunds Human Performance Spec $ 157,924 $ 5,051 $ 162,975
Paul Rice Vice President Admin $ 0 $ 162,735 $ 162,735
Bob Striegel Sr Staff Engineer $ 155,205 $ 5,990 $ 161,195
Don Mcclure Air Safety Coordinator $ 147,790 $ 13,346 $ 161,136
John Dean Contract Administrator $ 147,398 $ 12,676 $ 160,074
Bill Phaneuf Sr Staff Engineer $ 155,108 $ 3,746 $ 158,854
Richard Pavel Field Representative $ 150,947 $ 7,078 $ 158,025
Chris Baum Mgr, Accident Inv $ 154,712 $ 1,843 $ 156,555
Christopher Beebe Vice President Finance $ 0 $ 155,360 $ 155,360
Everett Barber Contract Administrator $ 147,946 $ 6,640 $ 154,586
Jim Lobsenz Senior Attorney $ 152,105 $ 2,146 $ 154,251
Margarita Lorenzetti Manager, Finance & Acct $ 151,842 $ 434 $ 152,276
Sandra Pusey Supv, Product Support $ 149,518 $ 0 $ 149,518
David Krieger Lead Financial Analyst $ 138,125 $ 11,299 $ 149,424
Andrew Shostack Contract Administrator $ 143,133 $ 4,625 $ 147,758
Charlie Bergman Mgr, Air Safety & Ops $ 142,968 $ 4,282 $ 147,250
Kelly Collie Emp Dev & Comm Coord $ 143,850 $ 2,207 $ 146,057
Lee Veid Supervisor, Applications $ 145,607 $ 0 $ 145,607
Terry Saturday Sr Contr Administrator $ 137,865 $ 7,726 $ 145,591
Jack Parrack Enrolled Actuary $ 141,749 $ 3,146 $ 144,895
Ken Cooper Asst Dir Representation $ 131,651 $ 11,847 $ 143,498
Marie Schwartz Manager, Communications $ 137,492 $ 5,191 $ 142,683
Joan Gallahan Mgr, Memb & Council Srvs $ 142,236 $ 309 $ 142,545
Bill Despins Lead Economic Analyst $ 128,759 $ 13,619 $ 142,378
Percy Toop Contract Administrator $ 127,122 $ 13,873 $ 140,995
Jan Steenblik Technical Editor $ 136,676 $ 3,246 $ 139,922
David Hannah Contract Administrator $ 133,971 $ 4,641 $ 138,612
Peter Janhunen Manager, Communications $ 136,746 $ 1,485 $ 138,231
Linda Rafii Sr Benefits Specialist $ 132,763 $ 5,334 $ 138,097
Trai Nguyen Sr Network Integrator $ 135,624 $ 969 $ 136,593
Brent Milligan Enrolled Actuary $ 130,764 $ 5,517 $ 136,281
Kelly Hardy Sr Gov Affairs Spec $ 135,836 $ 0 $ 135,836
Mike Cranford Sr Systems Integrator $ 135,680 $ 0 $ 135,680
Helen Wong-scruggs Systems Analyst $ 135,544 $ 0 $ 135,544
John Mazor Sr. Communications Spec $ 135,236 $ 67 $ 135,303
Chris Mccarthy Manager, It Op&services $ 131,905 $ 300 $ 132,205
Joe Bracken Sr Staff Engineer $ 130,442 $ 1,588 $ 132,030
Rod Gardner Supv, Network Sys&ser $ 130,954 $ 660 $ 131,614
Amy Alperi Lead Economic Analyst $ 128,960 $ 1,994 $ 130,954
Marcia Eubanks Lead Economic Analyst $ 118,811 $ 11,873 $ 130,684
Michael Huhn Sr Accident Inv Spec $ 129,091 $ 1,335 $ 130,426
Wayne Klocke Contract Administrator $ 129,277 $ 1,098 $ 130,375
Daniel Froehlich Contract Administrator $ 123,751 $ 4,941 $ 128,692
James Andresakes Sr Security Specialist $ 126,867 $ 1,798 $ 128,665
John Gaiser Sr Benefits Specialist $ 126,412 $ 0 $ 126,412
Neal Davis Contract Administrator $ 121,703 $ 4,612 $ 126,315
Hong Lee Sr Data Admin Analyst $ 125,866 $ 0 $ 125,866
Cynthia Holloway Hr Administrator $ 125,843 $ 0 $ 125,843
Bert Leger Contract Administrator $ 108,952 $ 15,943 $ 124,895
Tom Kilpatrick Contract Administrator $ 119,483 $ 4,687 $ 124,170
Michael Welsh Contract Administrator $ 122,438 $ 1,620 $ 124,058
Bob Hall Staff Engineer $ 122,236 $ 1,681 $ 123,917
Richard Parker Analyst/programmer $ 123,814 $ 0 $ 123,814
Jan Briel Director, Human Resources $ 122,209 $ 904 $ 123,113 <-------- One of the highest paying HR jobs out there, for its size.
Elaine Grittner Sr Mec Benefits Spec $ 122,558 $ 382 $ 122,940
Janie Miller Systems Analyst $ 121,542 $ 224 $ 121,766
Steve Corrie Sr Staff Engineer $ 119,131 $ 2,102 $ 121,233
Paul Girdany Contract Administrator $ 117,047 $ 2,964 $ 120,011
Andrea Griffith Supervisor, Accounting $ 119,411 $ 57 $ 119,468
Daniel Orfield Contract Administrator $ 116,354 $ 2,966 $ 119,320
Marta Wagner Attorney $ 118,616 $ 523 $ 119,139
Lisa Noyes Supervisor,pub Services $ 118,165 $ 130 $ 118,295
Lap Nguyen Systems Analyst $ 117,041 $ 0 $ 117,041
Mark Kovach Supv General Accounting $ 114,654 $ 0 $ 114,654
Christopher Brown Contract Administrator $ 111,306 $ 2,486 $ 113,792
Mike Carney Manager, Real Estate $ 112,568 $ 1,142 $ 113,710 <-------- ??
Tina Savopoulos Systems Analyst $ 113,287 $ 0 $ 113,287
William Dengler Sr Support Serv Analyst $ 113,000 $ 0 $ 113,000
Mark Angolia Comm Production Spec $ 99,747 $ 13,037 $ 112,784
Anthony Brown Systems Analyst $ 112,399 $ 0 $ 112,399
Rebecca Rong Analyst/programmer $ 111,961 $ 99 $ 112,060
Pam Quayle Supv, Meeting Planning $ 110,350 $ 785 $ 111,135 <-------- $111k for meeting planning!
Pierre Huggins Staff Engineer $ 109,390 $ 1,082 $ 110,472
Rick Kessel Staff Engineer $ 109,653 $ 644 $ 110,297
Sherry Taylor Benefits Specialist $ 106,174 $ 2,862 $ 109,036
Andrew Brenner Contract Administrator $ 105,017 $ 3,481 $ 108,498
Jan Redden Mgr, Gov Bodies Support $ 107,392 $ 127 $ 107,519
Tyler Home Supv Membership Services $ 106,865 $ 225 $ 107,090
Karen Browne-fleck Sr Benefits Specialist $ 92,338 $ 14,375 $ 106,713
Mark Cato Staff Engineer $ 101,968 $ 4,243 $ 106,211
Karen Madkour Travel Specialist $ 104,774 $ 1,203 $ 105,977 <-------- what the heck is a travel specialist, but sounds pretty good at $105k!
Jennifer Crichton Supervisor, Accounting $ 105,115 $ 0 $ 105,115
Eric Iverson Contract Administrator $ 101,111 $ 3,862 $ 104,973
Troy Englert Sr Economic Analyst $ 103,172 $ 1,637 $ 104,809
Melanie Howey Supervisor Mec/lec $ 101,426 $ 2,954 $ 104,380
Blair Donovan Operations Analyst $ 104,094 $ 224 $ 104,318
Michael Fredericks Security Specialist $ 102,533 $ 1,664 $ 104,197
Bill Ford Design/production Editor $ 103,380 $ 679 $ 104,059
Corey Stephens Staff Engineer $ 101,265 $ 2,580 $ 103,845
James Moody Sr Communications Spec $ 103,777 $ 0 $ 103,777
Richard Bartsch Sys Integrator/analyst $ 98,975 $ 3,888 $ 102,863
Daniel Ryan Systems Integrator $ 101,563 $ 243 $ 101,806
Biscuit Gobezie Analyst/programmer $ 101,604 $ 0 $ 101,604
Kevin Comstock Staff Engineer $ 99,426 $ 1,927 $ 101,353
Clinton Burner Systems Integrator $ 100,448 $ 370 $ 100,818

and the list goes on...

 

[PCL_128]

It must be lonely for you, with PCL sent to "Federal Pound Me in the A$$ Prison."

I'm back! And as usual, Rez looks reasonable and intelligent while Joey looks like a mindless radical. I don't believe that this issue should pass at the BOD, but I also think Joey and others are being a wee bit melodramatic about it.

 

[WalterSobchak]

I'm back! And as usual, Rez looks reasonable and intelligent while Joey looks like a mindless radical. I don't believe that this issue should pass at the BOD, but I also think Joey and others are being a wee bit melodramatic about it.

Frickin' hell...can you please get yourself banned again? It was pretty peaceful without you.

 

[McNugget]

I'm back! And as usual, Rez looks reasonable and intelligent while Joey looks like a mindless radical. I don't believe that this issue should pass at the BOD, but I also think Joey and others are being a wee bit melodramatic about it.

Watch your cornhole, Peter-man!