Almost/possible another Asiana type crash at SFO?

[jmreii]

FAA, Transport Canada and EU need to bar Asian carriers with defective training from flying to their respective countries.

One more crash will do it. One more.

US Carriers will scramble to fill the capacity to the United States alone...

Expect those countries to bar US carriers from their airspace as well especially after some of the mistakes US pilots are making!

 

[DCAA320]

Taxiing out to 1R one night, tower gave a low altitude alert to a Delta aircraft over the bridge that then went around. Apparently over the bridge VERY low. So no, this Eva isn't a lone case and yes it has happened to an American crew.

Very true.

My 300 nighttime River Visual approaches into DCA in the DC-9 has spoiled me.

 

[waveflyer]

Agreed. Big fun trying to go to the east coast with a full A319 out of there.

Seriously?
SNA is fun man- please give me something different - and remember RJ FOs do that procedure every day- but at sea it's "capt only" like we have a bunch of rookies to the right
How on earth do we justify our pay when we complain about this kind of stuff?
Nothing remotely dangerous and we all make good coin out of there-
We need to be valuable and not scared of our own shadows too you know-

It speaks of complacency- no we ought not make every flight routine- the problem isn't that certain places pose different challenges- the problem is when we get into the mentality that each leg doesn't deserve our attention and skill-

 

[airplane wizard]

So, Capt Som Ting Wong flies for EVA now?

He got another job quick.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Even if one is unable to interpret visual cues, it's very simple to check the distance from the RWY threshold in the MCDU (forget the Boeing nomenclature) and create in your mind a 3degree path from say a 5 mile final and use V/S mode to maintain it...and the added benefit is in 'Bus and Boeing aircraft, the A/T is actively maintaining speed in vertical speed mode...very simple... no PAPI needed...or just fly the GNSS approach and be done with it if you've been up all night and are a bit fatigued..

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

You lost me Bro, fair about what? Put the runway in the box, 4 miles, 1200 feet, not rocket science.

This.

Why is this so hard all of the sudden?

And if these guys don't know an approximate descent rate that will maintain a 3 degree glide slope for a given ground speed, and have the proper attitude instrument skills to hold that rate without the use of a flight director/auto pilot/auto throttles, then it's either time to go back to flight training 101 or find another profession.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

You lost me Bro, fair about what? Put the runway in the box, 4 miles, 1200 feet, not rocket science.

This.

Why is this so hard all of the sudden?

And if these guys don't know an approximate descent rate that will maintain a 3 degree glide slope for a given ground speed, and have the proper attitude instrument skills to hold that rate without the use of a flight director/auto pilot/auto throttles, then it's either time to go back to flight training 101 or find another profession.

 

[waveflyer]

Deserves to be said twice ^^^

 

[Varmint]

Taxiing out to 1R one night, tower gave a low altitude alert to a Delta aircraft over the bridge that then went around. Apparently over the bridge VERY low. So no, this Eva isn't a lone case and yes it has happened to an American crew.

No way? The way the other guys are talking, US carriers never have accidents.

 

[Varmint]

This.

Why is this so hard all of the sudden?

And if these guys don't know an approximate descent rate that will maintain a 3 degree glide slope for a given ground speed, and have the proper attitude instrument skills to hold that rate without the use of a flight director/auto pilot/auto throttles, then it's either time to go back to flight training 101 or find another profession.

Same could be said for the multitude of accidents we have seen in the US where the aircraft was high and over ran the runway.......or landed on a taxiway rather than the runway. Nobody is immune in this industry.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

Same could be said for the multitude of accidents we have seen in the US where the aircraft was high and over ran the runway.......or landed on a taxiway rather than the runway. Nobody is immune in this industry.

That's true regardless of how skilled the pilot is and I would agree.

All the more reason to avoid degradation of skills and complacency, which it seems is something that this industry constantly struggles with.

 

[atpcliff]

You lost me Bro, fair about what? Put the runway in the box, 4 miles, 1200 feet, not rocket science.

U can't do that for the 28 runways at SFO. The thresholds have been displaced, so the boxes don't have the correct runway information in them. The databases (and probably the Jepps printed pages) haven't been updated yet with the new Rwy28 info.

 

[DCAA320]

U can't do that for the 28 runways at SFO. The thresholds have been displaced, so the boxes don't have the correct runway information in them. The databases (and probably the Jepps printed pages) haven't been updated yet with the new Rwy28 info.

I wasn't suggesting you could build a CAT III. How much is it displaced? They surely would be in the ball park. They also could have used the VOR, just subtract a mile.

These are just swags to get you in position.

 

[scoreboardII]

FAA, Transport Canada and EU need to bar Asian carriers with defective training from flying to their respective countries.

One more crash will do it. One more.

US Carriers will scramble to fill the capacity to the United States alone...

I agree, problem is, within 24hrs those countries will reciprocate and bar our pilots from their country.

Then his holiness Obama will step in and enter high level talks with those countries, detailing how it was not fair that those countries have not had a fair chance to be good pilots. He will detail how it's our pilots fault for this incident and US pilots obviously need to pay more of our fair share to train these disadvantaged foreign pilots.

 

[Wolf King]

I agree, problem is, within 24hrs those countries will reciprocate and bar our pilots from their country.

Then his holiness Obama will step in and enter high level talks with those countries, detailing how it was not fair that those countries have not had a fair chance to be good pilots. He will detail how it's our pilots fault for this incident and US pilots obviously need to pay more of our fair share to train these disadvantaged foreign pilots.

Agreed. What an effed up country this has become....