Almost/possible another Asiana type crash at SFO?

[-FlyAuburn-]

You lost me Bro, fair about what? Put the runway in the box, 4 miles, 1200 feet, not rocket science.

This.

Why is this so hard all of the sudden?

And if these guys don't know an approximate descent rate that will maintain a 3 degree glide slope for a given ground speed, and have the proper attitude instrument skills to hold that rate without the use of a flight director/auto pilot/auto throttles, then it's either time to go back to flight training 101 or find another profession.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

You lost me Bro, fair about what? Put the runway in the box, 4 miles, 1200 feet, not rocket science.

This.

Why is this so hard all of the sudden?

And if these guys don't know an approximate descent rate that will maintain a 3 degree glide slope for a given ground speed, and have the proper attitude instrument skills to hold that rate without the use of a flight director/auto pilot/auto throttles, then it's either time to go back to flight training 101 or find another profession.

 

[waveflyer]

Deserves to be said twice ^^^

 

[Varmint]

Taxiing out to 1R one night, tower gave a low altitude alert to a Delta aircraft over the bridge that then went around. Apparently over the bridge VERY low. So no, this Eva isn't a lone case and yes it has happened to an American crew.

No way? The way the other guys are talking, US carriers never have accidents.

 

[Varmint]

This.

Why is this so hard all of the sudden?

And if these guys don't know an approximate descent rate that will maintain a 3 degree glide slope for a given ground speed, and have the proper attitude instrument skills to hold that rate without the use of a flight director/auto pilot/auto throttles, then it's either time to go back to flight training 101 or find another profession.

Same could be said for the multitude of accidents we have seen in the US where the aircraft was high and over ran the runway.......or landed on a taxiway rather than the runway. Nobody is immune in this industry.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

Same could be said for the multitude of accidents we have seen in the US where the aircraft was high and over ran the runway.......or landed on a taxiway rather than the runway. Nobody is immune in this industry.

That's true regardless of how skilled the pilot is and I would agree.

All the more reason to avoid degradation of skills and complacency, which it seems is something that this industry constantly struggles with.

 

[atpcliff]

You lost me Bro, fair about what? Put the runway in the box, 4 miles, 1200 feet, not rocket science.

U can't do that for the 28 runways at SFO. The thresholds have been displaced, so the boxes don't have the correct runway information in them. The databases (and probably the Jepps printed pages) haven't been updated yet with the new Rwy28 info.

 

[DCAA320]

U can't do that for the 28 runways at SFO. The thresholds have been displaced, so the boxes don't have the correct runway information in them. The databases (and probably the Jepps printed pages) haven't been updated yet with the new Rwy28 info.

I wasn't suggesting you could build a CAT III. How much is it displaced? They surely would be in the ball park. They also could have used the VOR, just subtract a mile.

These are just swags to get you in position.

 

[scoreboardII]

FAA, Transport Canada and EU need to bar Asian carriers with defective training from flying to their respective countries.

One more crash will do it. One more.

US Carriers will scramble to fill the capacity to the United States alone...

I agree, problem is, within 24hrs those countries will reciprocate and bar our pilots from their country.

Then his holiness Obama will step in and enter high level talks with those countries, detailing how it was not fair that those countries have not had a fair chance to be good pilots. He will detail how it's our pilots fault for this incident and US pilots obviously need to pay more of our fair share to train these disadvantaged foreign pilots.

 

[Wolf King]

I agree, problem is, within 24hrs those countries will reciprocate and bar our pilots from their country.

Then his holiness Obama will step in and enter high level talks with those countries, detailing how it was not fair that those countries have not had a fair chance to be good pilots. He will detail how it's our pilots fault for this incident and US pilots obviously need to pay more of our fair share to train these disadvantaged foreign pilots.

Agreed. What an effed up country this has become....

 

[waveflyer]

I agree, problem is, within 24hrs those countries will reciprocate and bar our pilots from their country.

Then his holiness Obama will step in and enter high level talks with those countries, detailing how it was not fair that those countries have not had a fair chance to be good pilots. He will detail how it's our pilots fault for this incident and US pilots obviously need to pay more of our fair share to train these disadvantaged foreign pilots.

Seriously?

Fox does make one stupid

 

[waveflyer]

Agreed. What an effed up country this has become....

Move then if you don't like it so much-

"Reagan...still more liberal than Obama"

 

[dalad]

Seriously?

Fox does make one stupid

that answers it. You're a bed wetting, squat to tee tee, libtard. I guess Rachel Madcow is your fave. Oh, and it was DAL who furloughed you after 911, am I right?

 

[Scoot 11]

Move then if you don't like it so much-

"Reagan...still more liberal than Obama"

You are such a dickwad.
Comparing Regan with Obama is like Comparing Hitler with the Pope!
One President got elected, and turned the economy around by creating millions of jobs.
The other president stole the election based on the promise of free stuff, has had millions drop out of the work force, more than doubled our debt, tripling the amount of people on welfare, and is the laughing stock of the world! But he certainly is entitled to his many multi million $$ vacations, you and I continue to pay for!
But at least you got your gay marriage rights!

 

[dalad]

You are such a dickwad.
Comparing Regan with Obama is like Comparing Hitler with the Pope!
One President got elected, and turned the economy around by creating millions of jobs.
The other president stole the election based on the promise of free stuff, has had millions drop out of the work force, more than doubled our debt, tripling the amount of people on welfare, and is the laughing stock of the world! But he certainly is entitled to his many multi million $$ vacations, you and I continue to pay for!
But at least you got your gay marriage rights!

Don't forget, we are now running from Al Qaeda, closing our diplomatic missions. He also gave in to the Muslim Brotherhood as well.

 

[dicko]

He also gave in to the Muslim Brotherhood as well.

Do you mean the Party in Egypt whose leaders are under house arrest ? That Muslim Brotherhood ?

I'm sure he danced a jig when an extremist leaning Islamist party was elected to run the country. It's been such a non pain in the arse for him in the past.

 

[waveflyer]

You are such a dickwad.
Comparing Regan with Obama is like Comparing Hitler with the Pope!

There's so much logically wrong with all of that paragraph that it would be a stretch to think you're smart enough to know you argued against yourself-

So lets start with the easy one here^^^

Comparing "Regan" (misspelled) with Obama is like hitler and the pope-

So this Regan guy is hitler and obama's the pope. You just said that

The rest is similar, but like I said- the lights aren't all on upstairs, so why bother

 

[waveflyer]

that answers it. You're a bed wetting, squat to tee tee, libtard. I guess Rachel Madcow is your fave. Oh, and it was DAL who furloughed you after 911, am I right?

Classy.

Such intelligent banter and debate from you. "Libtard" eh?

So- you can keep guessing and my response is it doesn't matter- thousands were affected by DALPA's outsourcing much more than me- and dalpa is our industry's most influential union- what you do there gives permission as leaders. It's awfully hard for other unions to stand up against outsourcing when you so gleefully give flying away

 

[skybert]

Taxiing out to 1R one night, tower gave a low altitude alert to a Delta aircraft over the bridge that then went around. Apparently over the bridge VERY low. So no, this Eva isn't a lone case and yes it has happened to an American crew.

Amen. What happened to basic piloting skills?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Seriously?

Fox does make one stupid

Have you ever bothered listening to Obama? His speeches are filled with nothing but regurgitated progressive elitist buzzwords.

"Fairness", "equality", "Trayvon could be my son", "Imperialism", "health care"

He does nothing in the way of leadership. He's a gentler, better looking Al Sharpton with enough political sense to seem reasonable.