All My AWA Friends Remain Calm....

[vetrider]

And the UAL pilots are going to vote USAPA in the event of a UAL/LCC merger......

The USAPA idiot, I mean lawyer seems to think so.....

One of the funniest statements I have ever heard.

Did you hear how tentative and limp Seham sounded when he made that comment? It was as if he knew how patently ridiculous it sounded and was embarrassed to even say that, but the question led him into it regardles.

Even Seham knows that United pilots voting for usapa is laughable.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm not talking about a union contract, I'm talking about United States labor law. It is illegal for a company to show disparity of treatment towards their employees.--->Happens all the time in this country...some companies even promote those they feel are better employees than others. So called "Favorite sons" are permitted to get away with more then the "less favored"...don't tell me you've never seen that They are not permitted under law to terminate employees that are guilty of the same offense on their own schedule.--->The terminations don't have to take place all at once...now, they can send a notice to all of the employees in question at once If 1800 pilots are guilty of the same "terminable offense," then the company must fire all of them at once if they fire just a single one.--->Once again, they can send notice to all of them...and start the proceedings with a few so that the word gets out to the remaining group just exactly what can happen. I've seen this happen at ALPA carriers in dealing with those who did not pay dues/assessments...not one of the pilots in question cited any obscure labor law...they made arrangements to pay up.

Besides...who cares? This is nothing more than an internal family squabble...let them work it out amongst themselves. They really don't need your or my help.

To be blunt, your understanding of the law leaves much to be desired. You are incorrect.

 

[TWA Dude]

There is one thing you CAN do at this point. You can help things or hinder things. If you VALUE your job...what would be the logical choice?

That's an interesting perspective. Last summer while all the majors were making good profits the AAA MEC decided to withdraw from contract negotiations. Doing so ruined the opportunity for gaining a decent contract anytime soon. So now you think the West should just give in and accept USAPA? Frankly, we believe USAPA is a temporary aberration and I certainly intend to treat it as such.

 

[becket]

The myopic, selfish views of a certain group of USAirways pilots has certainly left them exposed to a staple-job in the future...they better hope their new "union" gets it's act together in a hurry..

USCABA is DOA. They won't be leaving the deathbed they've created for themselves.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Originally Posted by Redmeat
There is one thing you CAN do at this point. You can help things or hinder things. If you VALUE your job...what would be the logical choice?

YGTBFSM!!!

You guys wrecked any chance, in a good economy mind you, of any contractual gains and now you say that.

USAPA= Retards.

 

[PCL_128]

USAPA= Retards.

Nah, even retards know better than to shoot themselves in the dick.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Yeah, I guess calling USAPA "Retards" is an insult to actual Retards.

For that I apologize.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

To be blunt, your understanding of the law leaves much to be desired. You are incorrect.

Bottom line....who cares? Let them fight it out among themselves.

Airline pilots have been fired before...and they'll be fired again.

If they are not terminated in a manner that is acceptable to you....you might write some checks to help with their legal bills. Maybe your elected union reps will want to use some of your dues to help them out.

 

[Redmeat]

So now you think the West should just give in and accept USAPA? Frankly, we believe USAPA is a temporary aberration and I certainly intend to treat it as such.

I understand why you would make that statement.

But the fact remains, in this industry, the only thing worse than a bad union is NO union.

 

[get2flyin]

I understand why you would make that statement.

But the fact remains, in this industry, the only thing worse than a bad union is NO union.

No, the only thing worse than NO union is a union that works AGAINST me.

 

[Redmeat]

YGTBFSM!!!

You guys wrecked any chance, in a good economy mind you, of any contractual gains and now you say that.

USAPA= Retards.

I don't work for Airways (I feel blessed).

I work for NW. Now that our merger is underway and showing classic signs of ego inhibiting logical thought, I find the whole AWA/US 'merger' saga fascinating.

IMO everyone involved in that merger...almost seems TO A PERSON...when faced with a decision made the wrong move...management, pilots (both sides), ALPA, arbitrator.

And now with the current oil/economic situation the west is prepared to make the final move that could prove fatal for the company.

Fascinating stuff...the book will be a must read for future airline pilots.

 

[Redmeat]

No, the only thing worse than NO union is a union that works AGAINST me.

Touché

Sorta like ALPA and that age 65 thing.

 

[get2flyin]

Touché

Sorta like ALPA and that age 65 thing.

As much as THAT pissed me off, at least some of the AWA pilots benefited from it. As for the USAPA deal....not so much.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

No, the only thing worse than NO union is a union that works AGAINST me.

Absolutely. But you should have inserted: "... a union that works ACTIVELY against me."

 

[CopilotDoug]

...One or two guys sure, but all 1800 of us?

I'm sure your Union brothers will let you be the first to fall on your sword...then they'll all reconsider after you're shown the door. You guys can all work together to improve the situation...or do "the Right thing" and split the company for your own cause. Remember man, it's aviation...nobody was guaranteed a thing to begin with.