All My AWA Friends Remain Calm....

[grog_sit_reserv]

Granted, all is not well, but its day one. The next battle will begin shortly.

Since we no longer have real representation, the company has a much freer hand in disciplinary matters.

DO NOT DO ANYTHING RASH.

I would suggest canceling dues check-off immediately so that USAPA can't try and claim your money. Instead, plan on donating to the legal fund from AWAPPA. Seriously, the guys in charge of it will not waste that money and it will be well spent defending your career.

Check your AWAPPA contacts and support the West. Put your cactus sticker on and may I suggest a black piece of tape across your ALPA badge backer for a while.


But don't do anything dumb, the fight will be harder if we lose guys from the West due to disciplinary actions.

Calm down. Nothing has changed yet. Take a deep breath.

 

[Caspian27]

Good luck West!!

 

[FLYLOW22]

Check your AWAPPA contacts and support the West. Put your cactus sticker on and may I suggest a black piece of tape across your ALPA badge backer for a while.

Yeah. That's gonna help. Stickers.

"Remain calm. There's nothing to see here." ~Leslie Nielson, The Naked Gun

"Good luck. Yur gonna need it." ~Harrison Ford, Star Wars

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I would suggest canceling dues check-off immediately so that USAPA can't try and claim your money. Instead, plan on donating to the legal fund from AWAPPA. Seriously, the guys in charge of it will not waste that money and it will be well spent defending your career.

You're right, maybe a lanyard.... Dork.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

good luck to you west guys. trying to send some good mojo your way.

 

[FADEC]

From the bleechers, what exactly does this vote mean for east and west?

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

USAPA is now our bargaining agent.

Now the West group gets to play the part of the East group.

Other than that NOT A WHOLE LOT will change until we get a new CBA. USAPA inherits the contracts from both sides.

 

[weasel_lips]

Granted, all is not well, but its day one. The next battle will begin shortly.

Since we no longer have real representation, the company has a much freer hand in disciplinary matters.

DO NOT DO ANYTHING RASH.

I would suggest canceling dues check-off immediately so that USAPA can't try and claim your money. Instead, plan on donating to the legal fund from AWAPPA. Seriously, the guys in charge of it will not waste that money and it will be well spent defending your career.

Check your AWAPPA contacts and support the West. Put your cactus sticker on and may I suggest a black piece of tape across your ALPA badge backer for a while.


But don't do anything dumb, the fight will be harder if we lose guys from the West due to disciplinary actions.

Calm down. Nothing has changed yet. Take a deep breath.

You can get terminated for not paying your dues don't ya know.....

 

[abefly]

You can get terminated for not paying your dues don't ya know.....

All 1800 of us???? Wow that would make it a bit difficult to stay in business......no?

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Already threatening termination? What a great start to my new bargaining agent.

Lets see 'em fire the entire west coast pilot group. One or two guys sure, but all 1800 of us? The company will not allow that no matter what delusions USAPA has.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

You beat me to it Abefly...

 

[Soulfly]

Weasel, you are tool. There were quite a few AAA guys that were in bad standing with ALPA. Did the company fire them.

BTW, if you don't work at LCC anymore. Mind your own business.

 

[johnnyb]

Lets see 'em fire the entire west coast pilot group. One or two guys sure, but all 1800 of us? The company will not allow that no matter what delusions USAPA has.

Terminate 50 a month starting from the top, the most senior will be the most in the hole $ wise. You'll get the point after 6 months to a year.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I'll bet after the first guy gets fired for non-payment of dues, the entire pilot group will be looking for work because the West guys will shut the place down. They're that angry....

 

[Soulfly]

Hey Grog, I am sure the Easties would love for us to do that.

They would jump on our flying like flies on Sh!t....

 

[~~~^~~~]

How much major contingency fund money did US Air pilots leave on the table?

How big is USAPA's MCF?

Guess nobody's going to have a credible strike threat for a long, long, time.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Yeah, no doubt....

 

[PlaneDrvr]

How much major contingency fund money did US Air pilots leave on the table?

How big is USAPA's MCF?

Guess nobody's going to have a credible strike threat for a long, long, time.

I really don't think there is any such thing as a 'strike threat' anymore. Can you name me a U.S. President, recent ones (Dem or Rep), or any one of the future contenders (Dem or Rep); who will allow the pilots of a 'major' airline to walk out, without ordering them back to work and appointing a President Advisory Board to resolve the strike.

The last major airline pilots strike, if i remember correctly was AA, and Clinton (a Dem), ordered them back to work; with the 'strike' lasting less than 2 hrs.

Just for what its worth.

DA

 

[Deadalus]

Hey Grog, I am sure the Easties would love for us to do that.

They would jump on our flying like flies on Sh!t....

It's too bad a good pilot group got bullied by the biggest pieces of sh!t in the industry. Don't worry guys I'll give it to them in the airport. Now that I'm a paying passenger it will be fun. Too bad I rarely fly scareways. Uh excuse me captain how does it feel to be a total piece of worthless sh!t with no integrity. Oh the fun I will have.

 

[Soulfly]

If my memory serves me it was NWA that struck in 98.

And don't forget Comair as well.

AA did a sick out, not an official strike.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

If my memory serves me it was NWA that struck in 98.

And don't forget Comair as well.

AA did a sick out, not an official strike.

The problem is they had ALPA and a Major Contingency Fund to back up the strike threat. USAPA is a paper tiger.

 

[Turtle21]

From the bleechers, what exactly does this vote mean for east and west?

Call Chris B., Jack S., or Lance and ask them!

Nothing has changed except the opulent lifestyles of the rich and famous ALPA reps.. and the constitution of the USAir pilots.

 

[PCL_128]

Terminate 50 a month starting from the top, the most senior will be the most in the hole $ wise. You'll get the point after 6 months to a year.

Illegal. That's called disparity of treatment. If you fire one, you fire all. You can't do it slowly to ease the pain on your company.

 

[FNB]

Whats the strike going to be for? A cost neutral contract with 20yr fences, and don't forget DOH furloughs. Yea I am sure that will have great support, kinda hard to have a strike when 1700 pilots will cross day 1.

 

[regionaltard]

The problem is they had ALPA and a Major Contingency Fund to back up the strike threat. USAPA is a paper tiger.

Not to mention the fact that a strike wouldn't be cost-neutral.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

I really don't think there is any such thing as a 'strike threat' anymore. Can you name me a U.S. President, recent ones (Dem or Rep), or any one of the future contenders (Dem or Rep); who will allow the pilots of a 'major' airline to walk out, without ordering them back to work and appointing a President Advisory Board to resolve the strike.

The last major airline pilots strike, if i remember correctly was AA, and Clinton (a Dem), ordered them back to work; with the 'strike' lasting less than 2 hrs.

Just for what its worth.

DA

You really don't get it, do you?

The only reason Clinton ordered the APA back to work is that they were a small, in-house union, sort of like, uh who is that other one that got elected today? They have no affiliation with the AFL-CIO like ALPA does. No political ramifications for Clinton on that one.

 

[sonny320]

If the "west" don't pay dues to USAPA, then they won't have the opportunity to vote for or against the next contract....then again...that might take another 3 years.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Thought Arizona was a "right to work" state???

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Illegal. That's called disparity of treatment. If you fire one, you fire all. You can't do it slowly to ease the pain on your company.

Read your ALPA contract. It's not the association who terminates...it's the company. The terminations take place at the company's pace.

If you don't like it...take it up with your company.

I saw this happen with the EAL assessment. But it only took a couple of company threats and the rest of the guys fell into line.

You should've seen them calling ALPA to set up a payment plan....

 

[ALGFLYR]

If the "west" don't pay dues to USAPA, then they won't have the opportunity to vote for or against the next contract....then again...that might take another 3 years.

BINGO! This is what many will soon realize. I agree the company cannot terminate 1800 pilots for not paying dues. But many on the West talk about DFR lawsuits against USAPA. If and when a new contract is TA'ed with the company only those pilots in good standing can vote. If all the West pilots are not paying dues, they will not be able to vote. How can they sue when they didn't vote?