Alaska contract

[SVA_402]

Not for FOs!!! Still $4 short of Pre-Kasher; damn pitiful with NO Scope!

Yeah, and no inflation or COLA increases since that time...

 

[Boxboy]

First off, I like to thank the NC and the MEC for their time and effort.
I will go to the road shows and re-read the TA but I can't, for the life of me, believe how this thing got voted in unanimously by the MEC! Scope alone is a no-go for me. Once again, this is a contract for the greedy, senior, spineless geezers. Now they have the ability to drop down to 37.5 hours and still receive the bennies. Pay.... what is f'ing joke, especially for the TOS FOs! FOs once get thrown under the bus! Sad to say, I'm sure it will pass though.

 

[dashtrash]

I would have liked the 13.5% to bump up maybe .5% per yr or something better.


DL's at 15%
UAL 15/16%
HA up to 19.4%
Just to name a few....

No changes in contribution for 5 yrs. Thats not satisfactory.

If you were not here for contract '09....the 13.5% was sold as the equivalent of the prior plan. A couple decades will tell the truth.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

If you were not here for contract '09....the 13.5% was sold as the equivalent of the prior plan. A couple decades will tell the truth.

No it wasn't. I don't remember anyone selling a 10.5% increase in the B plan as a replacement for the 1.9% A plan. Even the company's pamphlet that was put together for each individual pilot, with certain assumptions for growth and potential retirement payout, had the 13.5% contribution paying less in retirement. The sales pitch was, you don't have to risk the company going BK or merging and losing or freezing your pension. You get to take all of the risk, which shouldn't be a problem for most. We all know pilots make good money managers.

 

[LandGreen]

AK pilots have the leverage now...with a merger on the horizon, mgt NEEDS this contract done. the suitors on the sidelines are just waiting for the dust to settle. it is your opportunity to extract the most you can before the current mgt team sails off into early retirement with millions in merger compensation. JMO

 

[fam62c]

So if the TA gets rejected what do you figure will happen next and when?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

RES guys can pick up flying on days off.

YOU DONT WANT THAT!!!

It means LESS pilots.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

AK pilots have the leverage now...with a merger on the horizon, mgt NEEDS this contract done. the suitors on the sidelines are just waiting for the dust to settle. it is your opportunity to extract the most you can before the current mgt team sails off into early retirement with millions in merger compensation. JMO

+1

They (ALPA, Company) pulled this BS "Hurry Hurry" at Delta exactly one year ago when the lights came up and everybody figured out who they were going home with after the party.

YOU GUYS HAVE LEVERAGE....something us Delta Pilots left behind.....and don't buy the BS from the talking heads that "You'll never see the end of this contract...."

 

[becket]

So if the TA gets rejected what do you figure will happen next and when?

Depends how how badly it was rejected. This pos will pass however. Just to be clear, if this gets ratified, the pilots are approving of the idea that it will be perfectly acceptable to them that in FIVE YEARS they will be getting paid LESS than Southwest paid TEN YEARS AGO.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

scope

Your pay rates and work rules won't mean anything if there's no work to do. Contracting/Farming out work - to the lowest bidder - has become an accepted mangerial action, thus making scope the single most important section of any pilot contract. Without an extensive Scope section, mgmt decides who gets to do your work. For your sake, I hope you're reading the regionals & LCC sections of this site to remind yourselves what mgmt can and will do.

One last thing for every pilot group... If ever there was a time to stand fast on improving contract language, it's now!

 

[Mamma]

YOU DONT WANT THAT!!!

It means LESS pilots.

Reserves flying on days off is with Scheduling approval which means next to never. At most they would get to pick up a turn or a 2 day on their last day of reserve and they could do it once a month. Plus, whatever is left in Open Time, after the w************************* clean it out, usually sucks and most self-respecting pilots would not volunteer to pick that crap up.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Reserves flying on days off is with Scheduling approval which means next to never. At most they would get to pick up a turn or a 2 day on their last day of reserve and they could do it once a month. Plus, whatever is left in Open Time, after the w************************* clean it out, usually sucks and most self-respecting pilots would not volunteer to pick that crap up.

Don't you get what is happening? They are trying to buy the reserve guys vote. They think "Hey we are fat and I need cash so if I toss my name in, I can pad my wallet." It is never going to happen. The other swing of the pendulum is this steals premium flying (OT) or whatever you call it from senior pilots.

We have had that for a few months here and not one day has been offered up.

 

[kingair1]

The pay and scope language is very disappointing. No vote for sure.

 

[SRMairlines]

Your pay rates and work rules won't mean anything if there's no work to do. Contracting/Farming out work - to the lowest bidder - has become an accepted mangerial action, thus making scope the single most important section of any pilot contract. Without an extensive Scope section, mgmt decides who gets to do your work. For your sake, I hope you're reading the regionals & LCC sections of this site to remind yourselves what mgmt can and will do.

One last thing for every pilot group... If ever there was a time to stand fast on improving contract language, it's now!

^^^ Smart Pilot

 

[fam62c]

The pay and scope language is very disappointing. No vote for sure.

So we know the 10 AK pilots on here say they are going to vote no