Alaska Base pilot meetings?

[igneousy2]

Anyone have any idea what the "base pilot meetings" are all about. Trying to decide if it's worth the drive tomorrow.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

No idea what that one would be about but I have never been to one that had any good news come out of it.....

 

[Baze]

More doom & gloom.

At least they don't have GS running around and talking about 155... err 200, no 170, no 190 furloughs.

 

[Going2Baja]

More doom & gloom.

At least they don't have GS running around and talking about 155... err 200, no 170, no 190 furloughs.

Baze - Isn't it amazing how most of GS's predictions are coming true? I think that we as a group and put an end to the nonsense. 75 hrs a month will save and possibly bring back. NO VSA or picking up above 75 until all are back!

Baja.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Baze - Isn't it amazing how most of GS's predictions are coming true? I think that we as a group and put an end to the nonsense. 75 hrs a month will save and possibly bring back. NO VSA or picking up above 75 until all are back!

Baja.

Good idea, Baja. Now maybe if we were in contract talks, we could negotiate that type of thing. If only we were in negotiations! Darn.

 

[Mea25000]

never going to happen.

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

Baze - Isn't it amazing how most of GS's predictions are coming true? I think that we as a group and put an end to the nonsense. 75 hrs a month will save and possibly bring back. NO VSA or picking up above 75 until all are back!

Baja.

75 hours, are you kidding? You'll see greedy geezers pickup to 90 hours and now that VSA is not limited with the "85 hour rule", it's a free for all. As for the MOUs that people are bitching about (ie. 76 vs. 79 hrs of pay on reserve, 2 year implementation period of the "new" trip trading software, etc.)..... they should have read them BEFORE 84% of them voted for the turd.

 

[QCappy]

75 hours, are you kidding? You'll see greedy geezers pickup to 90 hours and now that VSA is not limited with the "85 hour rule", it's a free for all. As for the MOUs that people are bitching about (ie. 76 vs. 79 hrs of pay on reserve, 2 year implementation period of the "new" trip trading software, etc.)..... they should have read them BEFORE 84% of them voted for the turd.

All the guys complaining about that stuff are ones that voted against it.

Apparently it's too hard to read or understand English...but wait, that's required for a pilot's lisence. I thought it was pretty straight forward. The pay rates were retro, not the rules.

 

[Baze]

Baze - Isn't it amazing how most of GS's predictions are coming true? I think that we as a group and put an end to the nonsense. 75 hrs a month will save and possibly bring back. NO VSA or picking up above 75 until all are back!

Baja.

Hi Baja,

Yeah, in a perfect world we'd have 75 hours and no VSA with guys out on furlough. But alas...

Baze

 

[Fubijaakr]

Baze,

If the Company was serious about furlough mitgation, they could build lines to 65 hours. That's the contractual line minimum.

They're more interested in increasing the ratio of passengers to full time equivalents (their term). Just replace the term "equivalent" with "employees". How do you do it? Either get a whole lot more passengers or get rid of employees.

Why do you think they invented the self check-in kiosk? Web check-in? Airport of the future? Outsourced maintenance? Outsourced ramp?

Getting rid of those nasty "full-time equivalents."

 

[Mea25000]

Company wanted to build the lines to 70 last round union said no! Company tried again this time and the union said no! To many old farts flying at or above 90 and they want theirs. I was told we have more then 200 CA's flying more then 85 in July and more then 30 above 100. Were going back to a 1350 senority list and it will work. Well not very good for those on the street or soon to be. PDX base Jan 2010 could bring a few back but they are still trying to decide between BWB in SEA or PDX southeast and etops base.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Union said no? Who told you that?

 

[Old School 737]

Company wanted to build the lines to 70 last round union said no! Company tried again this time and the union said no! To many old farts flying at or above 90 and they want theirs. I was told we have more then 200 CA's flying more then 85 in July and more then 30 above 100. Were going back to a 1350 senority list and it will work. Well not very good for those on the street or soon to be. PDX base Jan 2010 could bring a few back but they are still trying to decide between BWB in SEA or PDX southeast and etops base.

I was told by a guy at the table the company wanted to talk about the ETOPS base in SEA and the union said OK but we want a 18 month no furlough clause attached and that is where the conversation ended!

 

[Green Banana]

Union said no? Who told you that?

I was at the Seattle union road show and the union said "this is not a part time airline, we have no intention of making all the pilots part time to save a few jobs". Reducing the lines below 75 is not on the table.

 

[turbodriver]

30 Capt.'s at 100 hours?!?!

We might get recalled sooner then we think, when the old farts fly themselves to death.....

 

[Going2Baja]

I was at the Seattle union road show and the union said "this is not a part time airline, we have no intention of making all the pilots part time to save a few jobs". Reducing the lines below 75 is not on the table.

This is hard to believe. I would think the second these words came out of a MEC's mouth he would have his mouth filled with a fist or a foot. My Capt Rep seems to think that lowering our hours is our only hope. The hard part is going to get it past the greedy 84%. To lower the monthly avg this has to be agreed upon by both parties and also a Mem Rat of 51%. We need to spin this some how and get the group behind us. Talk to FedX, UPS, or CAL...they ARE doing this to save jobs!

Baja.

 

[Chief Pilot]

Does anyone think that ALPA is really representing you? I'm sickened by how the currently furloughed guys have been swept under the rug. Out of sight, out of mind. Our union is a joke! Other than caring about the top 15% at this airline, there are several that only seem to care about their political affiliations with ALPA National. We have guys here with their noses so far up Pater's ass, he has to fart for them to breathe. I don't feel represented, and the few that actually give a damn about our pilots get brow beaten into submission or asked to leave. The current furlough mitigation plans will have zero effect. The only thing with a chance of preventing furloughs is an attractive early out, but that remains to be seen. Good luck to us all. With greedy geezers doing all this flying trying to pad their 401k's, we'll be lucky to get anyone called back in the next 2 years. If nobody retires this year we'll have 80+ guys over 60.

CP out.

 

[Old School 737]

CP out.

Why would any of these guys leave now! They got the best deal going! Locking in their A plan at pre- kash and getting a 10.5% B plan raise on top of the hourly raise they just got. I can't see a early out incentive big enough offered from the company to get rid of any.

 

[turbodriver]

I say screw em....

Let the geezers work themselves to death.

Enjoy your money. Can't spend it if you're dead....

 

[Fubijaakr]

I was at the Seattle union road show and the union said "this is not a part time airline, we have no intention of making all the pilots part time to save a few jobs". Reducing the lines below 75 is not on the table.

This was really said out loud? Wow. I guess that should be filed for the next LEC election.