AirTran T.A. = Vote NO

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

I've been here 2 years this month and this pretty much sums up my feelings right now also. Pretty crappy...

Me too. It started off good.

 

[airline#5]

Nearly 2 yrs, my feelings also. This place sucks the life right out of you. BK was more fun at previous carriers. $$$ is the only reason to stay here, and it SUCKS as an FO.

 

[AppBrookie]

I have never worked at a place that the pilots have worked so hard to go the extra mile......saving fuel, pushing wheelchairs, etc,etc..............thought this was a place to call home.
The company(and union) have crapped all over this.

No more type ride orals every 6 months with ego maniacs , no more memos treating us like pre-schoolers.

I'm heading for the door, good luck guys!!!!!!!!!!

 

[j41driver]

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[j41driver]

I'm flying with a pretty senior guy this month. Every time I bring up Lear's rebuttal points re: reserve, scope, FO payrates, etc. he always makes it about him and how that section doesn't really affect him. How do I convince him that he should be thinking about the "little guy" also? What would you do/say to help him see your point of view?

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

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What happened to your post?

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

I'm flying with a pretty senior guy this month. Every time I bring up Lear's rebuttal points re: reserve, scope, FO payrates, etc. he always makes it about him and how that section doesn't really affect him. How do I convince him that he should be thinking about the "little guy" also? What would you do/say to help him see your point of view?

Try this one on him.

Say he calls in sick, but on day two he feels better, so he calls in to rejoin his trip. Skeds tells him that is impossible, but they have three days of reserve for him.

Scen A: He has to live under reserve rules for three days.

Scen B: He says no thanks and they then put him down as refusing an assignment.

 

[j41driver]

Cool...thanks. Keep 'em coming.

 

[T3700]

The SAP 1 changes affect senior guys the most. A lot of guys I've flown with seem surprised when they hear SAP 1 will be subject to the same reserve manning requirements as SAP 2. One guy I flew with said "they didn't mention the SAP 1 changes at the road show" I wasn't surprised.

 

[Lear70]

The SAP 1 changes affect senior guys the most. A lot of guys I've flown with seem surprised when they hear SAP 1 will be subject to the same reserve manning requirements as SAP 2. One guy I flew with said "they didn't mention the SAP 1 changes at the road show" I wasn't surprised.

That one's about the top reason for a senior guy to vote No.

Another one would be to show him where the T.A. allows for a nearly 50% increase in your medical insurance over the next 4 years, and that's just for HMO coverage. PPO coverages go upwards of a 70% allowable increase in health insurance premiums, not to mention copays can increase, too.

Ask him if he'd also like to sit reserve at an outstation as a lineholder. T.A. doesn't require them to bring him back to ATL on the first scheduled flight anymore and reassignments can't be refused if they don't go past your original release time.

3 gems that are standouts for senior pilots...

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Sap-1 is the least of worries if this passes.

 

[j41driver]

Sap-1 is the least of worries if this passes.

For you and me that's absolutely the truth. For a guy near the top of the list he very likely wouldn't be affected by scope changes, reserve rules wouldn't affect him like they would new upgrades and he could care less about FO pay because he had to PFT when he was hired here and made next to nothing.

I'm just grasping at straws here to try to get some more NO votes from the senior guys. Thanks guys!

 

[RadioClash]

I'm flying with a pretty senior guy this month. Every time I bring up Lear's rebuttal points re: reserve, scope, FO payrates, etc. he always makes it about him and how that section doesn't really affect him. How do I convince him that he should be thinking about the "little guy" also? What would you do/say to help him see your point of view?

A good punch in the mouth might help. Relax, its sarcasm.

 

[j41driver]

A good punch in the mouth might help. Relax, its sarcasm.

Believe me I wanted to. Figured that wouldn't help the cause much though.

 

[FIREMAN]

Say he calls in sick, but on day two he feels better, so he calls in to rejoin his trip. Skeds tells him that is impossible, but they have three days of reserve for him.

Scen A: He has to live under reserve rules for three days.

Scen B: He says no thanks and they then put him down as refusing an assignment.[/quote]


Not true. If he calls in sick he can pick up open time starting day two.

If he calls in late to report he can be offerd reseve.

He does not have to accept a reserve assignment. He would lose the pay for that trip.