AirTran T.A. = Vote NO

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Whatever Capt. CoExist - lets return the thread to AirTran. No disrespect was intended towards your pilot group, or recruiters who are great folks.

By the way you have a PM with your Recruiter's cell phone number. Call her if you want to, before calling BS.

The recruiter was probably just making a polite joke, but if I said yes I'd be getting out the blue suit and red tie again.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Whatever Capt. CoExist - lets return the thread to AirTran. The only point was that some pilots who would have liked to work there would be disuaded by the Company's offer. No disrespect was intended towards your pilot group, or recruiters who are great folks.

By the way you have a PM with your Recruiter's cell phone number. Call her if you want to, before calling "BS" with no information.

See your PM.

I agree that the TA may scare some people away. So did the potential buyout/merger with Midwest.
I didn't think you meant any disrespect towards anyone ..... just didn't sound quite right to me.

 

[Spidey]

Whatever Capt. CoExist - lets return the thread to AirTran. No disrespect was intended towards your pilot group, or recruiters who are great folks.

By the way you have a PM with your Recruiter's cell phone number. Call her if you want to, before calling BS.

The recruiter was probably just making a polite joke, but if I said yes I'd be getting out the blue suit and red tie again.

...I just talked with her...she's like my sis...and she doesn't recall anything like that...in fact, it made her laugh...and we've had a full docket of interviewees...did 8 day before yesterday...and a handful yesterday and today...the TA is not on most of their radar scopes during the interviews...

 

[Ty Webb]

...I just talked with her...she's like my sis...and she doesn't recall anything like that...in fact, it made her laugh...and we've had a full docket of interviewees...did 8 day before yesterday...and a handful yesterday and today...the TA is not on most of their radar scopes during the interviews...

If you believe that the COmpany's actions in the last year are not adversely affecting both the quality of applicant, and the duration of their stay here- more power to ya, but you are fooling yourself.

Most applicants are in one frame of mind for the interview, and another when they are making long-term decisions affecting their long term happiness.

The fact that over a third of our newhires are leaving each month speaks louder than any spin you want to put on it- and those are the numbers from Floy . . . . 7-10 every month.

It may not be in the month they are hired, hell, some of them are Captains, but they are leaving, and it is very obvious to anyone flying the line. . . . it is obvious to the Company, too, or else they would update the pilot seniority list in a more accurate manner . . . . they obviously don't want to broadcast what is happening . . . . call Jim Peters at the NPA office, and ask for the numbers yourself- I did.

7-10 a month, 84 -- 120 a year, $2.5 millon dollars in training costs, at least.


TW

 

[Spidey]

If you believe that the COmpany's actions in the last year are not adversely affecting both the quality of applicant, and the duration of their stay here- more power to ya, but you are fooling yourself.

Most applicants are in one frame of mind for the interview, and another when they are making long-term decisions affecting their long term happiness.

The fact that over a third of our newhires are leaving each month speaks louder than any spin you want to put on it- and those are the numbers from Floy . . . . 7-10 every month.

It may not be in the month they are hired, hell, some of them are Captains, but they are leaving, and it is very obvious to anyone flying the line. . . . it is obvious to the Company, too, or else they would update the pilot seniority list in a more accurate manner . . . . they obviously don't want to broadcast what is happening . . . . call Jim Peters at the NPA office, and ask for the numbers yourself- I did.

7-10 a month, 84 -- 120 a year, $2.5 millon dollars in training costs, at least.


TW

...Ty, take a step back, take a breath and look at the big picture and stop reading what ain't there, bro...UPS, FedEX, SWA, CO, etal are hiring like big dogs...it's more a function of greener pastures out there flying big jets, etc...the TA and all it entails may some effect...it's just like prior to 9-11...the majors, legacies were hiring and our applicants had less experience...did some TA cause that...no...so, yeh we have people leaving, but it is not strictly due to the TA-tho it has some influence-people wouldn't be leaving if their weren't other places with brown uniforms...and believe me, I want the best dam contract we can get, like the rest of us...you just have to not get insanely tunnel-visioned and blame it for everything (tho it does affect global warming)...it's gonna work out...and if it doesn't, you have many options available if it ain't good for you ...and I'd love to not have to teach someone who is replacing someone we just got done training...and I don't fool and rarely spin...and I'm what your second paragraph means...I'm sure it's salient tho...cheers...

 

[Ty Webb]

...Ty, take a step back, take a breath and look at the big picture and stop reading what ain't there, bro...

I've got the "big picture" . . . the macro and the micro. I've been the businessman AND the labor. I was here in 2001 and I'm here now.

If you think that 7-10 pilots leaving every month is simply the guys who want to fly widebodies or work for a legacy, you are mistaken.

Nearly every FO who has been here less than two years is looking elsewhere. The real hemmorhage hasn't even begun yet. (and the TWA and AMR guys haven't even gotten the call yet!). Gonna be some real interesting days around here.

It's not just the former Legacy guys, either. The Regional guys recognize a regional contract and regional airline management tactics, and don't want any part of it either.

Regional contract = regional turnover and attrition. Pretty simple stuff.

Management waited too long- they should have gotten a fair a year two years ago, when it was offered. To save a few million in payroll costs, they are destroying the glue that was holding this thing together, and that isn't going to come back.

Regards,

TW

UPS, FedEX, SWA, CO, etal are hiring like big dogs...it's more a function of greener pastures out there flying big jets, etc...the TA and all it entails may some effect...it's just like prior to 9-11...the majors, legacies were hiring and our applicants had less experience...did some TA cause that...no...so, yeh we have people leaving, but it is not strictly due to the TA-tho it has some influence-people wouldn't be leaving if their weren't other places with brown uniforms...and believe me, I want the best dam contract we can get, like the rest of us...you just have to not get insanely tunnel-visioned and blame it for everything (tho it does affect global warming)...it's gonna work out...and if it doesn't, you have many options available if it ain't good for you ...and I'd love to not have to teach someone who is replacing someone we just got done training...and I don't fool and rarely spin...and I'm what your second paragraph means...I'm sure it's salient tho...cheers...[/quote]

 

[ron burgundy]

But your verbage is much better and you can spell.

unless you DELIBERATELY did something unsafe

 

[ron burgundy]

3. That data is de-identified by the NPA. The company can't even see who it is unless you DELIBERATELY did something unsafe, then you're on your own anyway (and should be).

AND ON THAT NOTE.. WHY ISN'T THERE A CERTAIN CREW ON TRAIL FOR ATTEMPTED MURDER!!!!


SORRY, I digress

 

[twepilot]

care to expound on the attempted murder thing?

RV

 

[ATLDRVR]

One word....Flaps.