Airtran pilots, what about this?

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

Hey Ty , here's your one reason, because we bought you BEOTCH!

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey Ty , here's your one reason, because we bought you BEOTCH!

Good luck with that one . . . . I'm sure the Arbitrators will be impressed with it. . . . Who writes your material, Johnny Cochran? :laugh:

 

[Kharma Police]

Hey Ty , here's your one reason, because we bought you BEOTCH!

ONE LUV, BEOTCHES!!!! :beer:

 

[boeing717]

Those were some of the "special circumstances" . . . I never flew with any, though.

They also tried to get Boeing717 through, too, but he washed out before he even got to the Sim . . . . .

I am not who you think I am. Why do you think I work for Airtran? Because of the picture of the 717? It figures that all it takes is a picture to get you to open your mouth and make a fool out of yourself.

 

[On Your Six]

Hey Ty , here's your one reason, because we bought you BEOTCH!

Read the Wall St Journal article a couple days ago about SWA going to ATL. GK said a couple times that SWA NEEDED AT to grow, and it was a merger. Responses like the above, even if meant to be slightly funny, is really how some people feel. That's why arbitration is needed. A SWA jumpseater we flew to DTW said he thought the SLI should be done with W2's. The Captain and I just laughed, but the SWA guy seemed serious.


OYS

 

[Lear70]

That sounds good for Airtran. ALPA gets you SWAPA pay rates until everybody is the same. That would take SWAPA out of the picture to prevent holding out. It would also mean that Airtran would get the same pay for the 737 and 717 as SWAPA gets without being represented by SWAPA. Who cares if SWA left you operating seperatly as long as ALPA gets the same benefits as SWAPA. I assume you would also get the raises that SWAPA will be getting? One other question, would Airtran also get all of the other benefits that SWAPA has like retirement etc.? It also means that SWA would be operating a new aircraft without giving their approval and that when it does come under their contraol the pay rate will already be determined.

All of that is WAY over my pay grade. All I know is that the mechanism for increasing our rates and work rules to match SWA's prior to Integration of the ISL is in place in the Process Agreement. WHEN it happens is purely up to GK and BJ.

As far as who cares if SWA operates us separately? I do. The "synergies" can't be realized fully until everything is combined. Running us separately gives SWA increased revenues with Scope relief to "connect the dots", but there's a LOT (hundreds of Millions of $$$) on the cost side that can't be realized without a COMPLETELY integrated company.

I want OUR company (a combined SWA/AAI) to be as profitable and successful as possible, which means I want all this done, synergies realized, and kicking tail in the ATL sooner rather than later! Not that I get a vote (well, I get one, but that's only when the MC/NC's bring us something to vote on)...

 

[Ty Webb]

I am not who you think I am. Why do you think I work for Airtran? Because of the picture of the 717? It figures that all it takes is a picture to get you to open your mouth and make a fool out of yourself.

Whatever . . . Tell everyone in Mickey Mouse Land that Ty says Hi.

 

[Spud]

weird

All of that is WAY over my pay grade. All I know is that the mechanism for increasing our rates and work rules to match SWA's prior to Integration of the ISL is in place in the Process Agreement. WHEN it happens is purely up to GK and BJ.

As far as who cares if SWA operates us separately? I do. The "synergies" can't be realized fully until everything is combined. Running us separately gives SWA increased revenues with Scope relief to "connect the dots", but there's a LOT (hundreds of Millions of $$$) on the cost side that can't be realized without a COMPLETELY integrated company.

I want OUR company (a combined SWA/AAI) to be as profitable and successful as possible, which means I want all this done, synergies realized, and kicking tail in the ATL sooner rather than later! Not that I get a vote (well, I get one, but that's only when the MC/NC's bring us something to vote on)...

It's funny how APA will go to the mat to prevent Reno from working one day at wages less than them. Whereas SWAPA will go to the mat to prevent AAi from receiving their wages...just weird.

 

[waveflyer]

Who's going to the "mat"??

 

[Spud]

Who's going to the "mat"??

SWA/FO said:

Except one thing...... SWA only recognizes SWAPA as the sole bargaining agent for its Pilots. So you want our money? Either apply and get hired or honor the process you argreed to and get Acquired. Its simple become a SWAPA Pilot.

SWA wouldn't just giveaway the store to anybody? Its SWAPAs contact, no one elses.

$$$ Money is a wasting guys......


One of many examples. Weird.

 

[BlueBlood]

Spud,

Never, never go full retard!!!

 

[madjack]

Ty said: " By all means, tell me in detail why I should thank SWA for the whopping 8% raise I got. Tell me why you deserve my seat. Tell me how you are such a superior aviator, and how your screening process is so vastly superior. . . ."

Ty: every SWA pilot on the property, interviewed, got a type, had a probationary year and worked up the seniority list....if you end up anywhere OTHER than at the bottom of the SWA MSL, you will be getting something no other pilot has ever gotten...yet, that is not enough...What makes you so special? Oh, Federal Law...

 

[GuppyWN]

Actually Gup....Airtran automatically contributes 10.5%. By doing this they contribute more than the $16500 fed limit...example...12ys cap makes 170,000/yr. 10.5% is $17850 + personal contribution of $16500. SW contract would be a $15810 company contribution + $16500 personal contribution. Now in 4 yrs an Aai pilot will make close to 200,000....at that wage the company contribution is $21000 and personal is still $16500 for a total of $37500. A SW pilot can only contribute a total of $33000. If you guys had that in your CBA you could make mucho dinero...especially the $300000/yr captains.

Let's play a little game -

AAI guarantee is 70 hours and your 15 year Captain pay is $163/hr = $11,410 per month. To pop off a figure like $170,000 is pure speculation on your part and an over-inflation to try to make your point.

AAI $11,410 x 12 = $136,920/yr plus your 10.5% match of $14,376 = $151,296 total compensation. I'd be interested if you have a 401Ka17 excess plan like we do.

WN is 90 trips at $186/trip for a 12 year Captain = $16,740 per month.

WN $16,740 x 12 = $200.880/yr plus 9.3% match of $18681 = $219,561 partial compensation.

For a difference of $68,265 per YEAR.

If you're curious about our profit sharing, stock options, decreased benefits employee cost that will only magnify the difference we can add them in as well.

Anything else?

Gup

 

[waveflyer]

How is that going to the mat? All of us really need to do some soul searching and keep this in perspective- I don't like guys riling people up online- but there are realities to getting bought by a democratically larger, financially superior company.

All of these arguments depend on each of our definition of "fair"- what's fair to some will be offensive to others- but there is a process that will be seen through- like it or not. Just try to hold onto something real. Like your ability to pay your mortgage. And how your treated every day at work.

 

[Spud]

Spud,

Never, never go full retard!!!

I guess one of us have gone at least partially retard, because I do not understand your response.


I submit that it is You.

 

[carl p]

I am not who you think I am. Why do you think I work for Airtran? Because of the picture of the 717? It figures that all it takes is a picture to get you to open your mouth and make a fool out of yourself.

Ummm, because you said as much when you created your name. Now you don't work for us? I called that right away, remember the PM you sent me?

 

[Spud]

How is that going to the mat? All of us really need to do some soul searching and keep this in perspective- I don't like guys riling people up online- but there are realities to getting bought by a democratically larger, financially superior company.

All of these arguments depend on each of our definition of "fair"- what's fair to some will be offensive to others- but there is a process that will be seen through- like it or not. Just try to hold onto something real. Like your ability to pay your mortgage. And how your treated every day at work.

Oh I see, Yes you are WAY more magnanimous than those APA bastards.http://forums.flightinfo.com/images/icons/icon21.gif

 

[Empennage]

Who's going to the "mat"??

I believe the Morris guys were pay protected from day 1. I think Swapa went to the mat.

 

[On Your Six]

Ty said: " By all means, tell me in detail why I should thank SWA for the whopping 8% raise I got. Tell me why you deserve my seat. Tell me how you are such a superior aviator, and how your screening process is so vastly superior. . . ."

Ty: every SWA pilot on the property, interviewed, got a type, had a probationary year and worked up the seniority list....if you end up anywhere OTHER than at the bottom of the SWA MSL, you will be getting something no other pilot has ever gotten...yet, that is not enough...What makes you so special? Oh, Federal Law...

Classic cockiness. GK thought Airtran was special and facilitated thus merger, and yes, he calls it a merger.

Read the above Airtran pilots. He doesn't seem to understand that you too had probation, checkrides, etc. Maybe arbitration would be more fair than what SWAPA will offer you? Heck, I bet that easily is the case.



OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Let's play a little game -

AAI guarantee is 70 hours and your 15 year Captain pay is $163/hr = $11,410 per month. To pop off a figure like $170,000 is pure speculation on your part and an over-inflation to try to make your point.

AAI $11,410 x 12 = $136,920/yr plus your 10.5% match of $14,376 = $151,296 total compensation. I'd be interested if you have a 401Ka17 excess plan like we do.

WN is 90 trips at $186/trip for a 12 year Captain = $16,740 per month.

WN $16,740 x 12 = $200.880/yr plus 9.3% match of $18681 =
$219,561 partial compensation.

For a difference of $68,265 per YEAR.

If you're curious about our profit sharing, stock options, decreased benefits employee cost that will only magnify the difference we can add them in as well.

Anything else?

Gup

Mama GUP,

How do you know Airtran's next contract wouldn't have mirrored yours? Do you know for certain? Again, are you sure?

An arbitrator or group of them will look at what each group brings to the table, like fleet size, aircraft type, and career expectations. But, payrates come and go. Recessions, high oil, BKs can do that to anyone's contract. A joint contract before the SLI equalizes everything. Now we see why SWAPA may not want to do that, which at the same time is mean towards your new family members. Take note Airtran pilots.



OYS