Airtran pilots, what about this?

[Tripower455]

Well, it took the Pan Am guys (otherwise referred to as "aquired airman".... by the "Real Delta" pilots.... 27 months for full pay parity when Delta aquired the north atlantic routes.

 

[Lear70]

Lear, can you PM me that memo please?

Can't find the stupid thing right now... We got bombarded with a bunch of stuff on about 3 different computer systems we use but I think it was a paper memo I found laying around in MCO about "what to expect" from your management team. ? Might have been on Sharetran but right now I can't get in (I.T. has been having some issues integrating our system with SWALife).

I'll keep hunting for it later today, gotta go fly.

 

[madjack]

The truth of the matter is a negotiated settlement is what GK (management) wants. GK(SWA)/ALPA/SWAPA do not want to leave the SLI in the hands of 3 federal judges. The stakes are too high. Everyone should take a step back, go do something else and give the NC's a chance...if/when we go to arbitration is out of our hands. If we go to arbitration the list may become merged but the group will be fragmented. The absolute best solution is a NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT, approved by both pilot groups.

 

[texman]

Can't find the stupid thing right now... We got bombarded with a bunch of stuff on about 3 different computer systems we use but I think it was a paper memo I found laying around in MCO about "what to expect" from your management team. ? Might have been on Sharetran but right now I can't get in (I.T. has been having some issues integrating our system with SWALife).

I'll keep hunting for it later today, gotta go fly.

No worries.

 

[On Your Six]

This just shows you have no idea what you are talking about. SWAPA has a contract with SWA already. This is not an ALPA/APLA deal, like NWA/Delta was.

OY6 IS the problem on all these SWA/Tranny threads... Fact.

Then share with Airtran pilots! Why won't SWAPA do that NOW? If they won't, then it looks like it could used as a form of pressure that again is ridiculous. Do you care about brotherhood or not? Sounds like you don't.

And if you don't like this thread, don't look at it. I bet the Airtran guys will. Holding back pay isn't nice, and if SWAPA controls it, then that is worse. Accept our deal, or continue with lower pay..... Arbitration, all the way.


OYS

 

[texman]

I will answer this for him. He does have a personal interest in this. Being on the bottom of the list at DAL he is afraid of what a combined SWA AAI will do to his carrier and career. His only hope is to try and sow the seeds for a SWA civil war. A splintered disfunctional pilot group works to his advantage.

Notice to OYS: I shut you down on one thread. I will continue to counter you devisive rhetoric no matter where you post.


Luv,
Ghetto

I have thought this the whole time. Good post.

 

[On Your Six]

The truth of the matter is a negotiated settlement is what GK (management) wants. GK(SWA)/ALPA/SWAPA do not want to leave the SLI in the hands of 3 federal judges. The stakes are too high. Everyone should take a step back, go do something else and give the NC's a chance...if/when we go to arbitration is out of our hands. If we go to arbitration the list may become merged but the group will be fragmented. The absolute best solution is a NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT, approved by both pilot groups.

Sounds great, but every other group started off the same way. SWAPA wants the list one way, AT ALPA another. If you make a deal appetizing to AT, your own pilots would hang you. Just the truth. GK may want a negotiated settlement, but he also signed the process agreement allowing arbitration if negotiating doesn't work. It's human nature to want something better than the rest. Arbitrators don't handle it that way, it is fair.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

I have thought this the whole time. Good post.

Just not the case. 2000 newhires expected here by 2015, thanks to thousands of scheduled retirements. SWA is the one with stagnation coming.


OYS

 

[PCL_128]

OYS, your premise is false. While I'm sure SWAPA isn't in any hurry to get us on their contract, they're also not the ones that get to decide that. That's a management decision, not a SWAPA decision.

 

[texman]

OYS, your premise is false. While I'm sure SWAPA isn't in any hurry to get us on their contract, they're also not the ones that get to decide that. That's a management decision, not a SWAPA decision.

Could you expand on that please? For my FYI.

 

[PCL_128]

Could you expand on that please? For my FYI.

It's simple. If SWA management wanted to give the AirTran pilots the SWAPA pay rates today, they could do so with a simple LOA with ATN ALPA. SWAPA would not have to be involved in the slightest.

 

[texman]

It's simple. If SWA management wanted to give the AirTran pilots the SWAPA pay rates today, they could do so with a simple LOA with ATN ALPA. SWAPA would not have to be involved in the slightest.

Interesting.

 

[Bwipilot]

Interesting.

Why interesting? He's spot on. SWA is free to negotiate pay rates, ammendments to contracts, etc. any time the company wants and a group of employees is willing to listen. It's been done often.

 

[texman]

Why interesting? He's spot on. SWA is free to negotiate pay rates, ammendments to contracts, etc. any time the company wants and a group of employees is willing to listen. It's been done often.

Just interesting. If he is spot on then great for PCL.

 

[Bill Nelson]

It's simple. If SWA management wanted to give the AirTran pilots the SWAPA pay rates today, they could do so with a simple LOA with ATN ALPA. SWAPA would not have to be involved in the slightest.

The really interesting part is that SWA and SWAPA have a history. Does SWA and ALPA?

 

[On Your Six]

OYS, your premise is false. While I'm sure SWAPA isn't in any hurry to get us on their contract, they're also not the ones that get to decide that. That's a management decision, not a SWAPA decision.

Not according to some corndogs on here. But if that is true, that's sad. SWAPA should do something about that to make things equal for their new family. A certain big carrier in the South had equal pay for same planes and a joint contract before SOC supposedly. I guess you can't do that.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

It's simple. If SWA management wanted to give the AirTran pilots the SWAPA pay rates today, they could do so with a simple LOA with ATN ALPA. SWAPA would not have to be involved in the slightest.

That really is interesting. Why won't they do that??? Sad. Time for arbitration to make sure SOMETHING is done fairly. If you can't get a fair deal with them, try arbitrators.



OYS

 

[Lear70]

Just interesting. If he is spot on then great for PCL.

He is correct. It's in the Process Agreement, SWA management can extend any compensation benefit at any time they want via LOA.

 

[SWA/FO]

Except one thing...... SWA only recognizes SWAPA as the sole bargaining agent for its Pilots. So you want our money? Either apply and get hired or honor the process you argreed to and get Acquired. Its simple become a SWAPA Pilot. imp:

SWA wouldn't just giveaway the store to anybody? Its SWAPAs contact, no one elses. :bawling:

$$$ Money is a wasting guys......

 

[Lear70]

Except one thing...... SWA only recognizes SWAPA as the sole bargaining agent for its Pilots. So you want our money? Either apply and get hired or honor the process you argreed to and get Acquired. Its simple become a SWAPA Pilot. imp:

SWA wouldn't just giveaway the store to anybody? Its SWAPAs contact, no one elses. :bawling:

$$$ Money is a wasting guys......

Actually, the Process Agreement very specifically SAYS that AAI ALPA will negotiate with SWA management for, among other things, the adjustment of our pay rates to yours during the integration process. SWAPA won't be involved in that.

That said, to answer OYS' earlier question, I don't believe SWA management will do that before the SLI negotiating process is done. There are several reasons, but primarily it's a financial issue. That's a lot of money and until our revenue is increased to help offset the increased pay (our fares are 6-7% lower than yours), I don't believe you'll see higher AAI pay rates.

I also believe it will be held as an incentive to git er done. Just my .02 cents,,,