Airtran pilots, what about this?

[PCL_128]

Could you expand on that please? For my FYI.

It's simple. If SWA management wanted to give the AirTran pilots the SWAPA pay rates today, they could do so with a simple LOA with ATN ALPA. SWAPA would not have to be involved in the slightest.

 

[texman]

It's simple. If SWA management wanted to give the AirTran pilots the SWAPA pay rates today, they could do so with a simple LOA with ATN ALPA. SWAPA would not have to be involved in the slightest.

Interesting.

 

[Bwipilot]

Interesting.

Why interesting? He's spot on. SWA is free to negotiate pay rates, ammendments to contracts, etc. any time the company wants and a group of employees is willing to listen. It's been done often.

 

[texman]

Why interesting? He's spot on. SWA is free to negotiate pay rates, ammendments to contracts, etc. any time the company wants and a group of employees is willing to listen. It's been done often.

Just interesting. If he is spot on then great for PCL.

 

[Bill Nelson]

It's simple. If SWA management wanted to give the AirTran pilots the SWAPA pay rates today, they could do so with a simple LOA with ATN ALPA. SWAPA would not have to be involved in the slightest.

The really interesting part is that SWA and SWAPA have a history. Does SWA and ALPA?

 

[On Your Six]

OYS, your premise is false. While I'm sure SWAPA isn't in any hurry to get us on their contract, they're also not the ones that get to decide that. That's a management decision, not a SWAPA decision.

Not according to some corndogs on here. But if that is true, that's sad. SWAPA should do something about that to make things equal for their new family. A certain big carrier in the South had equal pay for same planes and a joint contract before SOC supposedly. I guess you can't do that.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

It's simple. If SWA management wanted to give the AirTran pilots the SWAPA pay rates today, they could do so with a simple LOA with ATN ALPA. SWAPA would not have to be involved in the slightest.

That really is interesting. Why won't they do that??? Sad. Time for arbitration to make sure SOMETHING is done fairly. If you can't get a fair deal with them, try arbitrators.



OYS

 

[Lear70]

Just interesting. If he is spot on then great for PCL.

He is correct. It's in the Process Agreement, SWA management can extend any compensation benefit at any time they want via LOA.

 

[SWA/FO]

Except one thing...... SWA only recognizes SWAPA as the sole bargaining agent for its Pilots. So you want our money? Either apply and get hired or honor the process you argreed to and get Acquired. Its simple become a SWAPA Pilot. imp:

SWA wouldn't just giveaway the store to anybody? Its SWAPAs contact, no one elses. :bawling:

$$$ Money is a wasting guys......

 

[Lear70]

Except one thing...... SWA only recognizes SWAPA as the sole bargaining agent for its Pilots. So you want our money? Either apply and get hired or honor the process you argreed to and get Acquired. Its simple become a SWAPA Pilot. imp:

SWA wouldn't just giveaway the store to anybody? Its SWAPAs contact, no one elses. :bawling:

$$$ Money is a wasting guys......

Actually, the Process Agreement very specifically SAYS that AAI ALPA will negotiate with SWA management for, among other things, the adjustment of our pay rates to yours during the integration process. SWAPA won't be involved in that.

That said, to answer OYS' earlier question, I don't believe SWA management will do that before the SLI negotiating process is done. There are several reasons, but primarily it's a financial issue. That's a lot of money and until our revenue is increased to help offset the increased pay (our fares are 6-7% lower than yours), I don't believe you'll see higher AAI pay rates.

I also believe it will be held as an incentive to git er done. Just my .02 cents,,,

 

[texman]

Thanks guy's.

 

[Cometman]

Actually, the Process Agreement very specifically SAYS that AAI ALPA will negotiate with SWA management for, among other things, the adjustment of our pay rates to yours during the integration process. SWAPA won't be involved in that.

That said, to answer OYS' earlier question, I don't believe SWA management will do that before the SLI negotiating process is done. There are several reasons, but primarily it's a financial issue. That's a lot of money and until our revenue is increased to help offset the increased pay (our fares are 6-7% lower than yours), I don't believe you'll see higher AAI pay rates.

I also believe it will be held as an incentive to git er done. Just my .02 cents,,,

Is there a pay scale for the 717 under SWAPA? If not how can ALPA negoiate a pay scale for the 717 that would be binding on SWAPA? Are you saying that SWA can give Airtran the same pay rate for the 717 as SWAPA has for the 737 without SWAPA's ok?

 

[GuppyWN]

The answer is no.

Gup

 

[funnyman12]

Had the opportunity to chat with Mike Van de Ven and he seemed pretty interested in the C- series as a future plane. Not wise to have the 717 on a different pay scale for this could lead to a justification of a future plane to be on the 717 pay rate. Also had the privilege of talking with Gary Kelly. He said the goal is to have this integration be an example of how to do it best. If you were GK and there were unions fighting, how would you make it work? There are many innovative ways.

 

[jonjuan]

Why interesting? He's spot on. SWA is free to negotiate pay rates, ammendments to contracts, etc. any time the company wants and a group of employees is willing to listen. It's been done often.

However, now way GK will give the swapa contract until he absolutely has to. If he had done so Jan 1, sw would have lost money Q1.