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Actually Gup....Airtran automatically contributes 10.5%. By doing this they contribute more than the $16500 fed limit...example...12ys cap makes 170,000/yr. 10.5% is $17850 + personal contribution of $16500. SW contract would be a $15810 company contribution + $16500 personal contribution. Now in 4 yrs an Aai pilot will make close to 200,000....at that wage the company contribution is $21000 and personal is still $16500 for a total of $37500. A SW pilot can only contribute a total of $33000. If you guys had that in your CBA you could make mucho dinero...especially the $300000/yr captains.
 
A $300,000 yr captain with Airtran retirement would gross a total of $48,000/yr. SW guy at that salary with your CBA is limited to a total of $33,000...that is $15,000 less retirement per year....roughly an $15/hr pay differential. Very significant.
 
Airtran pilots make more than Continental, United, UsAir, Delta, Jetblue, Hawaiian....I know we make a lot less than SW but it does show that SW didn't buy an airline with low paid pilots, compared to the industry's snb payrates.
 
Stop it, Funnyman! . . . . You WILL be assimilated.

What do you think happened to Funnymen 1 - 11? :laugh:
 
A $300,000 yr captain with Airtran retirement would gross a total of $48,000/yr. SW guy at that salary with your CBA is limited to a total of $33,000...that is $15,000 less retirement per year....roughly an $15/hr pay differential. Very significant.
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Need to check the batteries in your calculator.
 
Haha...calculatingggg....$300,000 x 10.5% = $31,500 + personal contribution of $16,500 = $48,000....at Sw a pilot is limited by the feds of a personal contribution of $16,500...therefore the company only MATCHES the pilots contribution...total $33,000....my calculator seems to be operating....Meow
 
Funnyman12- I think your calculator forgot about our Top Hat/Excess contribution, that's OK you'll get the whole picture in NH orientation.
 
Then keep your tranny wages !!!!
 
if im not mistaken you would have walked and let airtran die less then a year ago. SWA makes a bid and bam you are not the lowest paid anymore.. HMMM. I am thinking because of SWA is the only reason you are not the lowest paid and the worst contract at this time... INMHO..
 
fracpt said:
if im not mistaken you would have walked and let airtran die less then a year ago. SWA makes a bid and bam you are not the lowest paid anymore.. HMMM. I am thinking because of SWA is the only reason you are not the lowest paid and the worst contract at this time... INMHO..
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You don't seem to know much about AirTran, Contract negotiations, or much of anything else. . . . . But, hey, don't let that stop you from running your man-pleaser.

By all means, tell me in detail why I should thank SWA for the whopping 8% raise I got. Tell me why you deserve my seat. Tell me how you are such a superior aviator, and how your screening process is so vastly superior. . . . . .

Oh, snap, looks like you wouldn't have met AirTran's posted minimums, which required 121 PIC time.

Bwaaahaaaa! :laugh:
 
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One great example is the Crew Scheduler that got on within the last year that flew nothing bigger than a Piper Seminole. Next time you are in the training center ask how that experiment went.
 
There were also two corporate guys in my interview group that were hired with no 121 time. Didn't the head of the flight instructors flight attendant girlfriend/wife get hired on without 121 pic time?
 
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Those were some of the "special circumstances" . . . I never flew with any, though.

They also tried to get Boeing717 through, too, but he washed out before he even got to the Sim . . . . .
 
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Ty Webb said:
Those were some of the "special circumstances" . . . I never flew with any, though.

They also tried to get Boeing717 through, too, but he washed out before he even got to the Sim . . . . .
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I am not who you think I am. Why do you think I work for Airtran? Because of the picture of the 717? It figures that all it takes is a picture to get you to open your mouth and make a fool out of yourself.
 
Tweet-a-Lishus said:
Hey Ty , here's your one reason, because we bought you BEOTCH!
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Read the Wall St Journal article a couple days ago about SWA going to ATL. GK said a couple times that SWA NEEDED AT to grow, and it was a merger. Responses like the above, even if meant to be slightly funny, is really how some people feel. That's why arbitration is needed. A SWA jumpseater we flew to DTW said he thought the SLI should be done with W2's. The Captain and I just laughed, but the SWA guy seemed serious.


OYS
 
Cometman said:
That sounds good for Airtran. ALPA gets you SWAPA pay rates until everybody is the same. That would take SWAPA out of the picture to prevent holding out. It would also mean that Airtran would get the same pay for the 737 and 717 as SWAPA gets without being represented by SWAPA. Who cares if SWA left you operating seperatly as long as ALPA gets the same benefits as SWAPA. I assume you would also get the raises that SWAPA will be getting? One other question, would Airtran also get all of the other benefits that SWAPA has like retirement etc.? It also means that SWA would be operating a new aircraft without giving their approval and that when it does come under their contraol the pay rate will already be determined.
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All of that is WAY over my pay grade. All I know is that the mechanism for increasing our rates and work rules to match SWA's prior to Integration of the ISL is in place in the Process Agreement. WHEN it happens is purely up to GK and BJ.

As far as who cares if SWA operates us separately? I do. The "synergies" can't be realized fully until everything is combined. Running us separately gives SWA increased revenues with Scope relief to "connect the dots", but there's a LOT (hundreds of Millions of $$$) on the cost side that can't be realized without a COMPLETELY integrated company.

I want OUR company (a combined SWA/AAI) to be as profitable and successful as possible, which means I want all this done, synergies realized, and kicking tail in the ATL sooner rather than later! Not that I get a vote (well, I get one, but that's only when the MC/NC's bring us something to vote on)... :)
 
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I am not who you think I am. Why do you think I work for Airtran? Because of the picture of the 717? It figures that all it takes is a picture to get you to open your mouth and make a fool out of yourself.
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Whatever . . . Tell everyone in Mickey Mouse Land that Ty says Hi. :rolleyes:
 
weird

Lear70 said:
All of that is WAY over my pay grade. All I know is that the mechanism for increasing our rates and work rules to match SWA's prior to Integration of the ISL is in place in the Process Agreement. WHEN it happens is purely up to GK and BJ.

As far as who cares if SWA operates us separately? I do. The "synergies" can't be realized fully until everything is combined. Running us separately gives SWA increased revenues with Scope relief to "connect the dots", but there's a LOT (hundreds of Millions of $$$) on the cost side that can't be realized without a COMPLETELY integrated company.

I want OUR company (a combined SWA/AAI) to be as profitable and successful as possible, which means I want all this done, synergies realized, and kicking tail in the ATL sooner rather than later! Not that I get a vote (well, I get one, but that's only when the MC/NC's bring us something to vote on)... :)
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It's funny how APA will go to the mat to prevent Reno from working one day at wages less than them. Whereas SWAPA will go to the mat to prevent AAi from receiving their wages...just weird.
 
waveflyer said:
Who's going to the "mat"??
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Except one thing...... SWA only recognizes SWAPA as the sole bargaining agent for its Pilots. So you want our money? Either apply and get hired or honor the process you argreed to and get Acquired. Its simple become a SWAPA Pilot.

SWA wouldn't just giveaway the store to anybody? Its SWAPAs contact, no one elses.

$$$ Money is a wasting guys......


One of many examples. Weird.
 

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