AirTran Pilots Fired!!!!!!!

[Say Again Over]

Great post. You hit it spot on. Great summary on how stupid some are in this country. Do not even get me started with our Cuba policy. Hypocrites.


Marty

Right, bring back Jimmy Carter

 

[Lear70]

Lear -

Correct me if I am wrong here, but isn't management defending their pay cut proposal by saying A) we took a 15% pay cut ourselves already (without of course saying that they got a 30% raise in the first place a few months ago) and B) that they need to show "good will" to Boeing to prevent Boeing from taking back their 717's ??

Not only did they get a raise, but they are not including their bonuses in their pay cut.

In other words, their base compensation makes up about 20% of their TOTAL compensation. If they take a 15% pay cut on their BASE compensation but still take bonuses, stock options, etc, they took a 1% pay cut.

Great. Thanks. Sod off.

What I also fail to see is why it always is people seem to think that a 11% pay cut actually makes a difference... That equals 1 week of fuel for all airplanes if that.

You said it...

 

[BSkin]

Lear, I should've been more specific, are the JOB CUTS a done deal!

 

[scarlet]

Obama=Change you can believe in= You better believe there is going to be change !!! The New Yorker was not far off.

CHANGE==TO WHAT ?????? I like the AOL poll 200,000 people across the country voted(if you can imagine that) 68% Mccain and 32%Obama.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

1) Good thing AOL is not the real thing. Especially since most of those "voters" where most likely kids.

2) Thread hijack ?????

3) Mesa rocks !



(I was being sarcastic...)

 

[Lear70]

BSkin, nothing is a "done deal" until it's over. The company could find some expansion that was too lucrative to pass up, and find the financing they need to get more planes and go for it... aviation is dynamic that way. However, I believe this environment isn't likely to give them that opportunity in the near future, and they will probably put at least half their posted number on the street, if not all of them, unless some side deal is reached AND Leaves of Absence are offered and taken.

I have no "insider information" that tells me it's a bluff, but wouldn't put it past senior management to mess with people's lives like that... they've done it before. My personal gut instinct is that the termination threat is real and they'll pull the trigger on it if their hand is forced.

My personal gut instinct is also that the NPA BoD will reach some kind of side deal to turn the "terminations" into the furloughs they should be, but give up the training instructors clause to do it with some kind of "Leave of Absence" program, likely without travel benefits or insurance (which will lower the incentive to take them), but that's just an educated guess, based on the emails we've been getting as a group - again, I have no insider knowledge on this subject, just "reading between the lines" and going on company past practice - they get what they want most of the time.

That change would not require Member Ratification, and would pass with only the BoD voting; I don't think we can get Member Ratification passed in time. I DO NOT mean to say that I think that such a deal should fail (although I'd say, as MB did initially, that there should be a LOT more to it to sign such a deal), but mainly I'm simply VERY angry, to say the least, that the company would pull such a stunt, threaten the lives of 177 of their employees, alienate those employees FOR LIFE, all for something that could have been likely negotiated peacefully.

 

[easydoesit]

I think we should call their bluff and let them terminate the 177. Who in their right mind would ever interview here again after something like that happened.

 

[400A]

I think we should call their bluff and let them terminate the 177. Who in their right mind would ever interview here again after something like that happened.

As sad as it is, the list would be long, if not unlimited. PFT commuters prove that.

Management would laugh all the way to the bank at the expense of the 177.

Airline management must have a very warped way of being able to look themselves in the mirror in the morning.

 

[Mach 80]

>>>>Obama=Change you can believe in= You better believe there is going to be change !!! <<<<<

Yeah, change is going to be all that's left in your pocket when Obama gets done with your paycheck.

 

[eaglesview]

>>>>Obama=Change you can believe in= You better believe there is going to be change !!! <<<<<

Yeah, change is going to be all that's left in your pocket when Obama gets done with your paycheck.

Funny you should say that when McCain is the one in FAVOR of foriegn airlines here in the US to "promote compitition which will lower fares and is good for the consumer." Take that to also mean lower wages, more days at work, less QOL. That is when all you have is change in your pocket.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Funny you should say that when McCain is the one in FAVOR of foriegn airlines here in the US to "promote compitition which will lower fares and is good for the consumer." Take that to also mean lower wages, more days at work, less QOL. That is when all you have is change in your pocket.

Mach8 and yourself bring up very good points. When it comes down to my flying career, I don't get warm fuzzies about either of these guys being in charge.

But, as to not perpetuate the further political hijacking of this thread ....

The "to be furloughed" 177 pilots should be treated with respect by management and not as pawns. I'm sure it's been said before, but, if the management wants to get relief from the contract to keep the training dept. guys , please negotiate in good faith with NPA and give us something in return.

Now...time for lunch...

 

[Publishers]

I think you all are making a big deal over the training department rumor part and not enough about the state of the business and where it is going. I read the work probationary pilots and now is the time to shed anyone not necessary to your operations and future. Is this bad, of course, but, no different than the 400 cruise workers left go yesterday permanently.

 

[BSkin]

Thanks Lear!

 

[JT12345]

I think you all are making a big deal over the training department rumor part and not enough about the state of the business and where it is going. I read the work probationary pilots and now is the time to shed anyone not necessary to your operations and future. Is this bad, of course, but, no different than the 400 cruise workers left go yesterday permanently.

If you are the business savy individual this post claims you to be then you can understand what happens when a contract is not honored in the real world of business. For some reason Airlines do not operate in the real world.

I was reading over at Spirit that they want to be let go into the cooling period because their lawyer doesn't see a point in negotiating a new contract when the company doesn't honor the present one.

 

[spitfire1500]

1) Good thing AOL is not the real thing. Especially since most of those "voters" where most likely kids.

2) Thread hijack ?????

3) Mesa rocks !



(I was being sarcastic...)

Funny I thought youth voters were Obama's strongest block

 

[Wesb737fo]

I think you all are making a big deal over the training department rumor part and not enough about the state of the business and where it is going. I read the work probationary pilots and now is the time to shed anyone not necessary to your operations and future. Is this bad, of course, but, no different than the 400 cruise workers left go yesterday permanently.

Cruise workers, what are you talking about?

No one is arguing the fact that furloughs may be necessary, however, if it is true that they are being used as pawns (i.e. firing versus giving them recall rights in order to get out of a clause in our contract stating the training dept. folks go first) then that is a cat of a different color.

And, it may be true that it is more efficient to keep the training guys in place, but, hey that's why you negotiate LOA's. I.E. get something in return. And after 4 years of negotiating a contract (and getting kicked in the balls from what I understand), I don't think the NPA is asking for the moon here.

Somebody please correct me if I am misunderstanding the situation.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Funny I thought youth voters were Obama's strongest block

Nah, just like little kids, most republicans ain't to smart.... :laugh:

 

[Sig]

most republicans ain't to smart.... :laugh:

Thanks. Thanks a lot.

 

[JT8D]

Nah, just like little kids, most republicans ain't to smart.... :laugh:

Ironically I think it's "ain't too smart"...

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Ironically enough English isn't my first language...