AirTran Pay Cuts?

[Malcolm]

I love all of you equally... and wish only the best poop for you...

 

[717pilot]

Malcolm..nice shades!!!

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

NO POOP FOR YOU!

Oh wait...I think that's actually no SOUP for you. Sorry. Carry on.

 

[General Lee]

Oh so now you going to slam the AIRTRAN pilot group? Your the DUMB A--!! 2.2 BILLION!!! THe worst year a airline has ever had in the history of the airlines and your gonna slam AIRTRAN? AMAZING! I guess your with DELTA> In my opinion a fine airline with good people..I know plenty of pilots at DELTA who Ive spoken with and have said very nice things about AIRTRAN. As I have said nice things about DELTA. If your going to get personal..let "RUMBLE". I can dish it out. I will defend my airline and our pilots as you will yours (and should). DUMBA--!!!
ANGUS you go man...let him have it!!!

717pilot,


You really are an idiot. You really look dumb here, because I didn't slam Airtran, I said Snake had a good "slam on you guys." I didn't agree to any of it. And look at your response--"Oh yeah, well, my dad can kill your dad-------Delta lost $2.2 billion......(You even don't know that most of that quarter loss was a paper loss, again)" You look dumb. You go Angus!!! Go Angus! Go Angus!

Fargin,

It is probably true, you wouldn't look good in a double-breasted blazer. Ah, go for the leather jacket.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[717pilot]

Did I say my dad can kill your dad? NNNNNNNOOOOO!! Beside my Dad is deceased....Just be careful when you slam other groups....

(Theme from JAWS playing in background!!!)

 

[General Lee]

Did I say my dad can kill your dad? NNNNNNNOOOOO!! Beside my Dad is deceased....Just be careful when you slam other groups....

(Theme from JAWS playing in background!!!)

You got me. And, for the last time, I liked the actual slam, not the content. I thought it was a good smack----but I didn't agree with it's content. You need to lighten up a bit please.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[AFcitrus]

Forgive my lack of economic prowess but why do peope always try to diminish a loss by saying "it's only on paper". The way I understand it, the buying power of that money is gone. It is added into ones total losses until such time that they can recoup it. Isn't that they way all losses are.

I knew a guy who owned $10,000 in stock but a few years ago I (I mean he) lost $5000 of it "on paper". He still hasn't made the money back on that stock and if he sells his stock, he won't ever make it back. His portfolio has a loss of $5000.

 

[Malcolm]

I wish each of my dear fellow Flightinfo bitches a happy trail.

May your walks be long and leashless, you path littered with fire hydrants, your fleas few and far between, and your scratches slow and satisfying.

May your poops be short and quickly picked up by your owner, may your food always be table scraps, may you sleep at the head of the bed with your butt on your owners pilow.

May your baths never happen, you collars never worn, your barks always encouraged.... and your chewy never torn.

Woof, Woof

 

[717pilot]

Oh he said please....Ok. ( As I put my feet up and light up a Camel)


"OK...who is the U-BOAT Commander?"--Risky Business

 

[FL717]

Hey what happened to -9Capt? He just logged in... but his name is in RED as if he got banned. Anyone know what happened.

 

[General Lee]

Forgive my lack of economic prowess but why do peope always try to diminish a loss by saying "it's only on paper". The way I understand it, the buying power of that money is gone. It is added into ones total losses until such time that they can recoup it. Isn't that they way all losses are.

I knew a guy who owned $10,000 in stock but a few years ago I (I mean he) lost $5000 of it "on paper". He still hasn't made the money back on that stock and if he sells his stock, he won't ever make it back. His portfolio has a loss of $5000.

Well, I am no financail genius by a long shot, but I think some of that was an actual write off, which is different than using cash on hand. It doesn't help the situation, but it doesn't hurt it too bad. The financial guys at management know how to use that to our benefit, somehow. Regardless, it was a bad year and I hope we don't do that again.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CatYaaak]

Well General...how about a better example of "dumb". Weren't those some of Delta's brilliant "professionals" that shut both engines off in a 767?QUOTE]

That one was funny.... and didn't they also almost whack a Continental somewhere out over the Atlantic once because they wandered off course and had their charts plastered across the windscreen using them as a sunshade instead of using them to navigate?

For awhile there, the Delta incidents were coming so fast and furious it's kinda hard to remember them all now.

 

[General Lee]

Well General...how about a better example of "dumb". Weren't those some of Delta's brilliant "professionals" that shut both engines off in a 767?QUOTE]

That one was funny.... and didn't they also almost whack a Continental somewhere out over the Atlantic once because they wandered off course and had their charts plastered across the windscreen using them as a sunshade instead of using them to navigate?

For awhile there, the Delta incidents were coming so fast and furious it's kinda hard to remember them all now.

Yeah, that was along time ago, and it has gotten a lot better in the last few years, knock on wood. A lot of those guys are gone now. But, we all know all of the really good pilots fly corporate, where there hasn't been an accident in a few days...... Let's go through a list of this week's accidents Catyaaak. Give me a break.....This thread has gotten way off course.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CatYaaak]

But, we all know all of the really good pilots fly corporate, where there hasn't been an accident in a few days...... Let's go through a list of this week's accidents Catyaaak. Give me a break.....This thread has gotten way off course.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Are you sure you really want to go there? For you to say that I rather doubt you know the statistics, or lump it in with charter flying, etc. If you actually looked them up, you'll find the corporate jet accident/fatality rates meeting or exceeding that of the airlines for most years. Not bad considering the wide range of operations/airports/approaches they deal with but the airlines don't. But you're right, we have gotten way off track....

......from the subject of Delta's goofs. I just thought he had a good comeback for the double-breasted boys' dog-piling on Airtran. A nice "slam", if you will.

 

[aspire]

Blah, blah, blah. AirTran is sooo cool. AirTran is sooo profitable. So is Skywest. To the tune of 70 million dollars more.

 

[FL717]

Blah, blah, blah. AirTran is sooo cool. AirTran is sooo profitable. So isn't Skywest. To the tune of 70 million dollars more.

So your argument appears to be that Skywest ISN'T profitable...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Yeah, that was along time ago, and it has gotten a lot better in the last few years, knock on wood. A lot of those guys are gone now. But, we all know all of the really good pilots fly corporate, where there hasn't been an accident in a few days...... Let's go through a list of this week's accidents Catyaaak. Give me a break.....This thread has gotten way off course.


Bye Bye--General Lee

No $hit General.....

I have been to many "little corporate aircraft" sim sessions where our "dumb$hit lesson of the day" is trying to escape the windshear thunderstorm penetration move displayed by Mother Delta at DFW....

300 dead in an L1011 is worth about 100 corp crashes.

whatcha gotta say about that?

Fly Safe.

 

[General Lee]

Are you sure you really want to go there? For you to say that I rather doubt you know the statistics, or lump it in with charter flying, etc. If you actually looked them up, you'll find the corporate jet accident/fatality rates meeting or exceeding that of the airlines for most years. Not bad considering the wide range of operations/airports/approaches they deal with but the airlines don't. But you're right, we have gotten way off track....

......from the subject of Delta's goofs. I just thought he had a good comeback for the double-breasted boys' dog-piling on Airtran. A nice "slam", if you will.

Look at all the bad press you have gotten lately. Ebersol's crash, then the TEB crash. Time for you to quit trashing us and our goofs. The Corporate side has also got to clean up it's polcies and procedures. And, there wasn't a "piling" on Airtran by us, nope.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[aspire]

thanks FL717. Corrected.

 

[Daveman]

Look at all the bad press you have gotten lately. Ebersol's crash, then the TEB crash. Time for you to quit trashing us and our goofs. The Corporate side has also got to clean up it's polcies and procedures. And, there wasn't a "piling" on Airtran by us, nope.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Have you considered the corporate/charter side of aviation of which you speak is filled with furloughed DAL, UAL, etc.,?

 

[General Lee]

Have you considered the corporate/charter side of aviation of which you speak is filled with furloughed DAL, UAL, etc.,?

Daveman,


Don't take this the wrong way now, I know Corporate flying has good pilots. I was just getting slack from a Corporate guy that thought his shiznit didn't stink. I had to remind him that all parts of aviation have their ups and downs. I am sure there are furloughed pilots there, and I hope they come back to where they want to be and I am sure they do a great job. Period. If you look at Catyaak's posts, he loves to slam Delta and our pilots, even making fun of certain accidents or near accidents. I had to remind him that Corporate aviation has the same problems sometimes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[717pilot]

Hey....we kinda lost track of the original thread..didnt we?

 

[General Lee]

Hey....we kinda lost track of the original thread..didnt we?

Yes, but you guys have helped me get closer to the 5,000 post mark! Thanks for helping....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[717pilot]

Always glad to help......and to think a few post ago..he called me a DUMBA--!! LOL

 

[General Lee]

Always glad to help......and to think a few post ago..he called me a DUMBA--!! LOL

Yeah, I'm sorry. I will refrain from that---as long as you are nice! I don't TRY to make people mad, it just happens sometimes.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[717pilot]

Actually all of us AIRTRAN pilots are nice....well except..(I better not name names!!). We are sensitive about our airline because we believe we are trying to make this a great place to be at and make AIRTRAN a growing and profitable company.....

"Cant we all just get along" - Rodney King

 

[JethroF15]

Hey what happened to -9Capt? He just logged in... but his name is in RED as if he got banned. Anyone know what happened.

As I recall, he made a post to this thread back on about page 5 or 6. It got my attention because it used a few colorful strings of words that even surprised me and I've been reading this stuff for a couple years. Now I notice the post is gone and so is -9Capt. Guess he had to pay the piper. Too bad he couldn't make his point without the Jr High schoolyard language. Oh well, Seeee Yaaaa -9Capt!

 

[CatYaaak]

Look at all the bad press you have gotten lately. Ebersol's crash, then the TEB crash. Time for you to quit trashing us and our goofs. The Corporate side has also got to clean up it's polcies and procedures. And, there wasn't a "piling" on Airtran by us, nope.


Bye Bye---General Lee

The Ebersol accident was a chartered aircraft, not corporate, as was the TEB accident aircraft (for which a cause hasn't been determined but there are indications of a flight control malfunction). General, at least use examples that were actually Part 91 corporate aircraft, otherwise your attempt at a slam doesn't even push back from the gate.

Hey, didn't you guys also lose Joan Baez's guitar in Atlanta once? Your screw up there, of course, is that for once you actually found the lost luggage and returned it to her.

 

[CatYaaak]

Daveman,


Don't take this the wrong way now, I know Corporate flying has good pilots. I was just getting slack from a Corporate guy that thought his shiznit didn't stink. I had to remind him that all parts of aviation have their ups and downs. I am sure there are furloughed pilots there, and I hope they come back to where they want to be and I am sure they do a great job. Period. If you look at Catyaak's posts, he loves to slam Delta and our pilots, even making fun of certain accidents or near accidents. I had to remind him that Corporate aviation has the same problems sometimes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Oh General, don't try and portray the flak I normally give you about Delta's made-for-munchkin seating, use of stinky old sh1tbox 76's on your int'l routes, and agreement with somebody else here that turning one of them into a glider was kinda funny as an attitude of my shiznit don't stink.

And the only Delta pilot I can recall taking to task is you, and not about driving the bus (except for that APU thing), but regarding your non-wavering, publicly insulting attitude towards your non-Song Flight Attendants who've you've deemed countless times here on these threads to be fat, stupid, overpaid, and don't laugh at your jokes. I mean, you go out of your way to make sure everyone knows this, and I can only imagine the joy your fellow crewmembers working in the cabin feel when finding out you're on the team for the trip.

But gee, thanks for "reminding me" that all aspects of aviation have their ups and downs! Given that they're all dynamic, technology-driven, high-stakes endeavors succeptible to the human factor limits and/or failings, and done at high speed in crushable aluminum tubes....who'da thunk it!

 

[Devil Dawg]

Wow!! Take it easy on the General!! He can't be that bad of a guy. His post seemed to be a sincere question.

That being said, General, can you confirm or deny the 5 stripe rumor for Delta international capts?