AirTran MEC: Whine on!

[canyonblue]

Before you drag out SLI 1, it had a 30 percent seniority loss (average) also.

Thirty percent on a relative scale, not from your DOH at AirTran. How the hell does this keep getting misrepresented. Guess the melodrama over there makes more sense now.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Thirty percent on a relative scale, not from your DOH at AirTran. How the hell does this keep getting misrepresented. Guess the melodrama over there makes more sense now.

Some of us lost 30% off DOH as well. At over 12yrs, I'm slotted in with 8yr guys. Is this what you'd rather see or hear?

 

[Ty Webb]

Some of us lost 30% off DOH as well. At over 12yrs, I'm slotted in with 8yr guys. Is this what you'd rather see or hear?

Yep. I'm a late 2001 hire, slotted in with mid-2005 SWA hires; a loss of 3.5 years or 30%.

My loss of relative was worse, going from 28% to 64%

 

[GoodTimes]

And as a '99 legacy hire, according to my new hire orientation, I should be a 76 captain right about now.

I'm a 9th year SWA FO.

A loss of 100% of my previous airline seniority.

Things change.

There's a ton of ex-legacy folks at SWA with a similar career trajectory as mine. Its hard to muster a ton of empathy for your plight of "lost seniority". Try "lost career" on for size.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

And as a '99 legacy hire, according to my new hire orientation, I should be a 76 captain right about now.

I'm a 9th year SWA FO.

A loss of 100% of my previous airline seniority.

Things change.

There's a ton of ex-legacy folks at SWA with a similar career trajectory as mine. Its hard to muster a ton of empathy for your plight of "lost seniority". Try "lost career" on for size.

Were you fired or were you furloughed and didn't take the recall? Did the company go out of business and/or file bankruptcy? If any of this is true, I don't see how it applies in comparison to the merger of two profitable major airlines.

It is telling though that you consider ending up at WN after losing a legacy job as a "lost career".

 

[madjack]

You will be SR FOs on a 7000 pilot list, life will be Better than you think...

 

[scoreboardII]

And as a '99 legacy hire, according to my new hire orientation, I should be a 76 captain right about now.

I'm a 9th year SWA FO.

A loss of 100% of my previous airline seniority.

Things change.

There's a ton of ex-legacy folks at SWA with a similar career trajectory as mine. Its hard to muster a ton of empathy for your plight of "lost seniority". Try "lost career" on for size.

Game set match.

 

[scoreboardII]

I don't see how it applies in comparison to the merger of two profitable major airlines.
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Merger? I'm not seeing any UCAL like airplanes painted in memory AT colors? We still having trouble understanding the term acquisition?

 

[GoodTimes]

Were you fired or were you furloughed and didn't take the recall? Did the company go out of business and/or file bankruptcy? If any of this is true, I don't see how it applies in comparison to the merger of two profitable major airlines.

It is telling though that you consider ending up at WN after losing a legacy job as a "lost career".

Recall came after I'd been at SWA for over a year. I would have endured a second furlough had I gone back.

I'd call it an acquisition.

We can debate all day the idea of AAI being a "major airline".

It's a "lost career" until one lands another job. I was lucky and ended up at SWA. My point being, things change in this industry and careers change accordingly. Time to man up and move on. You're side doesn't have a monopoly on failed expectations.

 

[Ty Webb]

Recall came after I'd been at SWA for over a year. I would have endured a second furliugh had I gone back.

I'd call it an acquisition.

We can debate all day the idea of AAI being a "major airline".
.

You'd be a debating society of one.

Major airline is defined by the DOT. AirTran revenue exceeded this threshold by 250%.

As far as operations, one of the two airlines in the merger was operating internationally . . .

Guess which airline was first in LGA, BOS, PHL, DEN?

Hint- it wasn't SWA.

Gary Kelly knew what he was doing when he bought AirTran . . . two and a half years later, you still haven;t figured it out.

 

[GoodTimes]

You'd be a debating society of one.

Major airline is defined by the DOT. AirTran revenue exceeded this threshold by 250%.

As far as operations, one of the two airlines in the merger was operating internationally . . .

Guess which airline was first in LGA, BOS, PHL, DEN?

Hint- it wasn't SWA.

Gary Kelly knew what he was doing when he bought AirTran . . . two and a half years later, you still haven;t figured it out.

Ya got me, Ty. AAI was a major, international airline that served some big cities before SWA did. Who cares?

Guess which one was the acquired.

Hint - it wasn't SWA.

Two and a half years later and it appears it's you that still hasn't figured it out. Your career and all it's beloved promises and expectations are forever changed. It'll never be the same no matter how much you lament.

Here's to starting over.

 

[waveflyer]

And as a '99 legacy hire, according to my new hire orientation, I should be a 76 captain right about now.

I'm a 9th year SWA FO.

A loss of 100% of my previous airline seniority.

Things change.

There's a ton of ex-legacy folks at SWA with a similar career trajectory as mine. Its hard to muster a ton of empathy for your plight of "lost seniority". Try "lost career" on for size.

word to your mother

and +1 on the "game. set. match"

 

[freightdogfred]

Were you fired or were you furloughed and didn't take the recall? Did the company go out of business and/or file bankruptcy? If any of this is true, I don't see how it applies in comparison to the merger of two profitable major airlines.

It is telling though that you consider ending up at WN after losing a legacy job as a "lost career".

Game Set Match

 

[waveflyer]

I know of no one that wanted or expected a hire date at SWA before their actual AT hire date, stop being so melodramatic. Before you drag out SLI 1, it had a 30 percent seniority loss (average) also.

So again, I ask- what was your expectation then? Specifically please.

But i have to point out that

a) PCL, on this site, and very recently has said over and over that AT's "WORST" case scenario was DOH.
LET THAT SINK IN. THIS IS YOUR LEADERSHIP. (Neurotic and misguided as it was.)
Best case relative and expected that the actual SLI land somewhere in between.
PCL's words. Not mine. Would you like me to quote him?
So that takes care of 'i know of no one......'
this is one of your leaders, so please... 'can we dispense with the bull'.

and b) you do realize that DOH, which you are now saying was your "BEST" case scenario, comes with a huge relative seniority loss? varying by generation

We live in a capitalist system, dampened by our micro seniority system. All AT pilots took significant risks by going to and staying at AT - 10 years ago was the risk of going out of business- as you grew rapidly and became more profitable, but still small- you didn't take the "Poison Pill" measures SWA employees took when SWA was small- so your risk was acquisition by an older, more financially powerful airline. You were a takeover target- and I dare you to find any other buying entity that would have given you a better SLI.

Double dog dare.


Risk is an acceptable thing-- very similar to the significant risk i took accepting a job with a legacy in 2000, and similar to the risk i took holding out for SWA over interviewing at AT in 2004.

at what point are we all responsible for our own choices and realize Fate and chance plays a large role in an airline career, no matter how much we mitigate those in an actual flight deck?

 

[slaquer5]

You'd be a debating society of one.

Major airline is defined by the DOT. AirTran revenue exceeded this threshold by 250%.

As far as operations, one of the two airlines in the merger was operating internationally . . .

Guess which airline was first in LGA, BOS, PHL, DEN?

Hint- it wasn't SWA.

Gary Kelly knew what he was doing when he bought AirTran . . . two and a half years later, you still haven;t figured it out.

Check your facts