AirTran MEC: Whine on!

[madjack]

Does anyone really think the integration will b completed on time...? AAI is charging for bags, and the employees make less...with 717 gone we are way overstaffed.,, persistent rumors that we are hiring off the street next year and buying airplanes from Ryan plus no FAs in ATL indicate to me the company wants to keep things separate as long as possible, and pay the grievance..

 

[Kharma Police]

Does anyone really think the integration will b completed on time...? AAI is charging for bags, and the employees make less...with 717 gone we are way overstaffed.,, persistent rumors that we are hiring off the street next year and buying airplanes from Ryan plus no FAs in ATL indicate to me the company wants to keep things separate as long as possible, and pay the grievance..

You worry too much. Just go with the flow, brah.

 

[PCL_128]

Does anyone really think the integration will b completed on time...? AAI is charging for bags, and the employees make less...with 717 gone we are way overstaffed.,, persistent rumors that we are hiring off the street next year and buying airplanes from Ryan plus no FAs in ATL indicate to me the company wants to keep things separate as long as possible, and pay the grievance..

Sounds good to me.

 

[maxblast72]

Sounds good to me.

Dam it. I hate when I agree with PCL128

 

[dicko]

Over under on Trannies that leave Ill put at 25. It's another tranny cool aid shooter they pass around in ground school. Here are some others:
1. SWA is blown away by the 717
2. Our Foqua data blows SWA away
3. They know we are really upset so they are going to throw us a "bone"
4. If we get past this piece of the DRC, SWAPA will cave
5. We make 90% of the SWA profit

Those are just a couple gems from my last few ground schools. They eat it up over here. What's even funnier is they don't think they are drinking the cool aid!

The trannies will leave comes in this format "all kinds of guys are jumping ship because they are pissed at how this went down"... Translation: one guy from CLT went to USAir and two guys took their AA recall.

Crashpad attempts to make new friends and gain respect at new airline. Didn't work at current airline. Won't work at new airline. Same as the old airline.

The End.

 

[dicko]

And there would have been a firestorm on this side if we had been told this truth.

Well, as you said in your previous post. It should have been obvious to you that the 717s were not staying.

How many different ways do you want it Darth ? Keep in mind that one of them is illegal in some states.

 

[scoreboardII]

what's you point?

 

[doh]

I see on the other thread that bidding over is open to anyone now, so that answers my previous question. Resolution in 18 months when all of you are SWAPA. Resentment ends when the last guy affected dies...but that seems to be the case in every merger.

 

[dicko]

I see on the other thread that bidding over is open to anyone now, so that answers my previous question. Resolution in 18 months when all of you are SWAPA. Resentment ends when the last guy affected dies...but that seems to be the case in every merger.

No. A 717 awarded pilot can transition when there aren't any 737 awarded pilots that want it. It's still out of seniority.

 

[RLAblows]

I see on the other thread that bidding over is open to anyone now, so that answers my previous question. Resolution in 18 months when all of you are SWAPA. Resentment ends when the last guy affected dies...but that seems to be the case in every merger.

Oh to the contrary. It's only being awarded to our MCO pilots. Next bid will be awarded to a hire date of 10/18/2010 (post announcement) out of MCO. Therefore skipping all of the senior ATL FO's.

 

[roughneck]

Oh to the contrary. It's only being awarded to our MCO pilots. Next bid will be awarded to a hire date of 10/18/2010 (post announcement) out of MCO. Therefore skipping all of the senior ATL FO's.

It really is a shame that the transition is not based on seniority. Your negotiators should have insisted on seniority order but that is not what the agreement allows for. ALPA agreed to out of seniority transition and both sides ratified it.

 

[RLAblows]

It really is a shame that the transition is not based on seniority. Your negotiators should have insisted on seniority order but that is not what the agreement allows for. ALPA agreed to out of seniority transition and both sides ratified it.

Wrong! It was out of seniority based on the transition bid SWA/ FO award. It could be awarded out of seniority if you were based in MCO or MKE and on the transition bid with a SWA/FO award. There were only 707 SWA slots on the transition bid and the above mentioned and 2 on the current award were not awarded SWA on the transition bid. It sure would be great if you guys would get educated on what is going on at AirTran before you throw out your "Airtran is whining" comments. ALPA did not agree to this and neither did I.

 

[roughneck]

Wrong! It was out of seniority based on the transition bid SWA/ FO award. It could be awarded out of seniority if you were based in MCO or MKE and on the transition bid with a SWA/FO award. There were only 707 SWA slots on the transition bid and the above mentioned and 2 on the current award were not awarded SWA on the transition bid. It sure would be great if you guys would get educated on what is going on at AirTran before you throw out your "Airtran is whining" comments. ALPA did not agree to this and neither did I.

Maybe this will refresh your memory of what was ratified.

A. Transition of Pilots from AirTran to Southwest:

1. AirTran Pilots will transition to Southwest in scheduled groups, taking into consideration the operational and training needs of both Southwest and AirTran. Southwest will determine the timing, qualifications and number of AirTran pilots needed for each scheduled group. The transition of AirTran Pilots to Southwest will be completed by December 31, 2014, unless otherwise mutually agreed by Southwest and SWAPA.

2. To the extent possible within seat, while facilitating staffing requirements during the transition period, the transition of Pilots from AirTran to Southwest will be accomplished on a seniority bid process based upon AirTran seniority, AirTran equipment and seat position, and additional AirTran duty at the time of the award.

3. AirTran Check Airmen will be transitioned to ensure sufficient coverage at Southwest and AirTran during the integration. AirTran Check Airmen transitioned to Southwest out of the projected transition order will be assigned to the Southwest domicile that their seniority would have held.

 

[PCL_128]

It really is a shame that the transition is not based on seniority. Your negotiators should have insisted on seniority order but that is not what the agreement allows for. ALPA agreed to out of seniority transition and both sides ratified it.

Your definition of "agreed" leaves much to be desired.

 

[scoreboardII]

RLA, in black and white above, actually in red. SWA has the right to bring over anyone they deem, when they deem it. You agreed to this. Anyhow, this is standard Ops for a closing operation, they cannot allow all the senior guys (CA) to transition, then once all the CA are gone, close the joint.

 

[maxblast72]

Your negotiators should have insisted on seniority order but that is not what the agreement allows for. ALPA agreed to out of seniority transition and both sides ratified it.

Roughneck, here is the issue. TBN 13-08 just closed with a June 2007 AirTran new hire being awarded an August Dallas transition training class date. This pilot was awarded a TBA 717 FO slot in the transition bid that closed in December 2011.

There are 30 ATL 717 FOs, 118 ATL 737 FOs, and 13 MCO 717 FOs senior to that pilot who were awarded SWA 737 FO in the transition bid. The junior MKE 737 FOs had to assume their awarded TBA 717 FO position a few months back (when MKE closed) while the junior MCO 737 FOs are getting to go to Dallas in lieu of assuming their awarded TBA 717 FO position on this side of the partition (when their base closed in September).

Since SWA management and the ATN MEC could not come up with a solution for how to handle the 717 sublease deal, SWA management decided unilaterally to stop 737 to 717 training. It is pretty easy to understand their motive in doing this (reduce training costs).

The plan for 2013 had 12 crews crossing per month until after summer at which point that increased to 24 crews per month. That plan hasn't changed. What has changed is what base/aircraft/seat those crews will be coming from. It is a big deal to our first officers and some captains. Some will go earlier while others will go later.

There will be DRCs and grievances filed for the next few years (and maybe a few more DFR lawsuits). It isn't my fight anymore, and it isn't easy for our current MEC. If they change anything, some will benefit while others will be hurt.

 

[RLAblows]

I'm guessing that isn't from our LOA with the company. Explain to me the transition bid?

 

[roughneck]

Roughneck, here is the issue. TBN 13-08 just closed with a June 2007 AirTran new hire being awarded an August Dallas transition training class date. This pilot was awarded a TBA 717 FO slot in the transition bid that closed in December 2011.

There are 30 ATL 717 FOs, 118 ATL 737 FOs, and 13 MCO 717 FOs senior to that pilot who were awarded SWA 737 FO in the transition bid. The junior MKE 737 FOs had to assume their awarded TBA 717 FO position a few months back (when MKE closed) while the junior MCO 737 FOs are getting to go to Dallas in lieu of assuming their awarded TBA 717 FO position on this side of the partition (when their base closed in September).

Since SWA management and the ATN MEC could not come up with a solution for how to handle the 717 sublease deal, SWA management decided unilaterally to stop 737 to 717 training. It is pretty easy to understand their motive in doing this (reduce training costs).

The plan for 2013 had 12 crews crossing per month until after summer at which point that increased to 24 crews per month. That plan hasn't changed. What has changed is what base/aircraft/seat those crews will be coming from. It is a big deal to our first officers and some captains. Some will go earlier while others will go later.

There will be DRCs and grievances filed for the next few years (and maybe a few more DFR lawsuits). It isn't my fight anymore, and it isn't easy for our current MEC. If they change anything, some will benefit while others will be hurt.

I understand the angst but you cant complain about the company exercising the rights that they were granted in the SLI agreements.

 

[RLAblows]

No they are completely disregarding our LOA with them. You obviously know nothing of our transition bid. The LOA states they will follow the transition bid. It's on page 3 if you have access to it. It's also in black and white.

 

[RLAblows]

So Max, that being said and since you were a negotiator at the table. Would you say that they aren't following their agreement?