AirTran MEC: Whine on!

[Phlintstone]

Found it...

Read the MOU dated 11-29-2011. It is in regards to 737CA seats and a vacancy bid in Sept 2014 for those seats. The 717CA seats are not mentioned.

Phred

 

[RLAblows]

What this also means for FO's at AirTran who were awarded swa/fo, they are being passed over by way junior FO's who weren't awarded swa per the transition bid. It's like being passed over for upgrade.

 

[canyonblue]

From what I remember from the conversation I had with an ALPA rep...It has to do with SWAPA pushing SWA (and getting an MOU) to have a vacancy bid for all remaining (uncaptured?) CA slots in the event that all AT aircraft/personnel are not across the partition by 12/31/2014. This prevents an AT CA from keeping their seat if SWA cannot effect an expeditious training plan. ALPA is none to happy that these MOUs were negotiated and signed without them at the table.

I understand SWAPA's reason behind the MOUs and I know a number of CAs are hoping to keep their seat by deferring their transition until the very end.

Phred

Well that would make sense wouldn't it? Your group voted to give away all of your Captain seats. Not 75%, not 85% not even 99%. If one SWA pilot were denied one of those Captain seats, then that would be in violation of the agreement. That one pilots vote could have been decided on the way the agreement was presented. On 1-1-15 there should not be one AirTran Captain flying as Captain, this was part of the agreement correct?

 

[fletch717]

Well that would make sense wouldn't it? Your group voted to give away all of your Captain seats. Not 75%, not 85% not even 99%. If one SWA pilot were denied one of those Captain seats, then that would be in violation of the agreement. That one pilots vote could have been decided on the way the agreement was presented. On 1-1-15 there should not be one AirTran Captain flying as Captain, this was part of the agreement correct?

No, our last vote gave us 510 captain seats on the 717 with atl and tpa as bases. That was what WE voted for.

 

[Tripower455]

No, our last vote gave us 510 captain seats on the 717 with atl and tpa as bases. That was what WE voted for.

We did too.

 

[madjack]

Now we have 1700 trannys inbound bringing 54 aircraft...

 

[Phlintstone]

Well that would make sense wouldn't it? Your group voted to give away all of your Captain seats. Not 75%, not 85% not even 99%. If one SWA pilot were denied one of those Captain seats, then that would be in violation of the agreement. That one pilots vote could have been decided on the way the agreement was presented. On 1-1-15 there should not be one AirTran Captain flying as Captain, this was part of the agreement correct?

Seriously??? Why don't you go read the original agreement. Don't try to rewrite history.

Phred

 

[Phlintstone]

Now we have 1700 trannys inbound bringing 54 aircraft...

Yuuuuuup!

Phred

 

[fam62c]

Now we have 1700 trannys inbound bringing 54 aircraft...

True, but AT is also bringing enough gates at ATL and other airports plus the international flying to utilize many more airplanes than that. SW will be flying many more than 54 additional airplanes (creating many CA upgrades) that they would not have had anytime soon without the AT combination.

The 717's were going to replaced at some point no matter what, it just happened a lot faster than anybody thought. The original plan was for them to stay while the 300's were retired first before any more of them cracked. I guess in the end it's a wash, 88 717's going away means 88 300's that would have been replaced with new deliveries staying on the property longer.

 

[737tanker]

What I don't understand is the DRC concerning the MOU changing the SWA ATL base from 717s to 737s. Is ALPA saying that they can tell a company what equipment they must operate? I wish SWAPA could file a DRC about the 717s leaving. The SLI would have looked different if the employees had known that 88 aircraft weren't coming over. Arbitration wouldn't had looked so bad under that condition!

 

[roughneck]

No, our last vote gave us 510 captain seats on the 717 with atl and tpa as bases. That was what WE voted for.

It gave you exactly the number of captain seats required to fill the 717 until 2015. If there are no 717's you have no seats. That is what you voted for.

 

[scoreboardII]

didn't this get covered two years ago? One year ago? Six months ago?

 

[Britpilot]

Yuuuuuup!

Phred

That's what you voted for.

 

[fletch717]

It gave you exactly the number of captain seats required to fill the 717 until 2015. If there are no 717's you have no seats. That is what you voted for.

Exactly, when we voted we were told the 71 would stay until the leases were up. I think the voted would have been a lot different on both sides had we been told the truth.

 

[PCL_128]

Exactly, when we voted we were told the 71 would stay until the leases were up. I think the voted would have been a lot different on both sides had we been told the truth.

Eh, I'm not so sure. People were voting purely out of fear, so if they knew the outcome of the 717s, they probably would have been even more afraid and would have voted the same way.

 

[roughneck]

Eh, I'm not so sure. People were voting purely out of fear, so if they knew the outcome of the 717s, they probably would have been even more afraid and would have voted the same way.

So quit whining, you get what you vote for and in this case it is SWA 737 FO.

 

[roughneck]

Exactly, when we voted we were told the 71 would stay until the leases were up. I think the voted would have been a lot different on both sides had we been told the truth.

If there was a promise of aircraft it would have been included in the deal. It wasn't because there were no promises. What was included in the deal was the plan for who would get the captain seats if there were no 717's prior to 2015. Those captain seats go to pre-merger SWA pilots. That is what you voted on. That is what is happening now.

 

[PCL_128]

So quit whining, you get what you vote for and in this case it is SWA 737 FO.

No, that's not what I voted for.

 

[Ty Webb]

It gave you exactly the number of captain seats required to fill the 717 until 2015. If there are no 717's you have no seats. That is what you voted for.

The information that was put forth by SWA to us, both in meetings and in the press, was that the 717 fleet would remain until the leases ended, which began in 2017.

BIG difference between ending them in 2017 and 2014. Hence the DRC's.

I would think that would be easy to understand.

 

[Tripower455]

Exactly, when we voted we were told the 71 would stay until the leases were up. I think the voted would have been a lot different on both sides had we been told the truth.

Definitely.

The vote would've been a lot different on the SW side had we known that you guys were only coming over with 1/3 the aircraft.