AirTran MEC: Whine on!

[roughneck]

I just want the original intent of the agreement and nothing more. I realize the model changed, but it's at the expense of a couple hundred AAI captains.

The original intent of the agreement was to let your guys keep seats on the 717 as long as the company had 717's. Now that they are going away, those seats go away. That is the deal that both pilot groups agreed to and that is what is happening exactly.

 

[madjack]

But it will be the "SWAPA machine" as the sole representative of the combined group that will be "negotiating" any arbitrators award with SWA (vsALPA)...True or False?

 

[scoreboardII]

Pick me, pick me!!!

 

[Candide]

Unlike most of my SWA brethren posting on these pages, I think Airtran ALPA has a valid point and a good chance of winning this B-717 grievance. Airtran pilots bid for some 717 cheese, which was then promptly moved. They're crying foul, I tend to agree with them.

It seems to me, however, that the biggest losers on the 717 deal are the SWAPA pilots. Where's our grievance? All 1700 pilots integrated, but most of the airplanes going to Delta. That's the big story here.

 

[funnyman12]

I think we want a fence around ATL, 525 CA seats as awarded in the transition bid, displacement rights, and money for guys negatively affected whom are on the SW side. If the arbitrator sees our case as this arbitrator did, I'd say we have a good chance...

 

[PCL_128]

I wouldn't start counting those chickens just yet. A merits case is a far different animal than a jurisdictional case. SWAPA's claim on the jurisdiction case was just batsh!t crazy. There was no way we were losing that one. But the merits case isn't quite so easy.

 

[DougCorp-9]

I understand. The business model changed. I think the AAI guys should have gotten a re-bid, but what else do you want?

I would like my captain seat that I have been in for the last decade and to not get a large pay cut.

 

[madjack]

PCL,

Legitimate question, When/if an arbie awards in favor of AAI/ALPA... Does SWAPA negotiate that award with SWA? it is being presented that way on the SWAPA forums....

 

[madjack]

F12,

Do you see the CP seats coming from SWA CPs?

 

[funnyman12]

Who knows what an arbitrator would rule, but SW awarded 525 CA slots on the 717 and 15 RON 717 in ATL on 1/15. It is in the SIA and we all voted on it. Maybe SW could buy more 717's to fulfill their end of tje agreement. Not our fault they decided to sub lease 88 of them to Delta.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Doug, your capt seat is going to delta.

 

[dicko]

So since the list can't change, are you going for money? Good luck with that, no matter if the arbitrator rules in your favor.

Yawn.

Red only cares if it's his money. He's not bright enough to realize that he's next. It's a common syndrome.

Yawn.

 

[dicko]

Unfortunately we at AAI have had a gut full of the SWAPA machine and the arbitrator agreed.

Word.

Sincerely,

Captain Ho Lee Fuk

 

[madjack]

You can have my SWA 737 CP seat as long as I keep getting paid as a CP...

 

[SWA717]

Doug, your capt seat is going to delta.

What about the 50 737s we brought to the table? I don't see you offering up those capt seats.

 

[WOWIdidntKnow]

Ok, now that Alpa gets to present it's claim to the DRC, does anyone have specifics as to what the claim might be?

 

[PCL_128]

PCL,

Legitimate question, When/if an arbie awards in favor of AAI/ALPA... Does SWAPA negotiate that award with SWA? it is being presented that way on the SWAPA forums....

There's nothing to really "negotiate." SWAPA is required to take the award to SWA management, tell them that the award is the position of SWAPA, and that SWA management needs to implement it. If management refuses to do so (unlikely, since Russ is the one who told us to file the claim in the first place), then a third arbitration takes place to get SWA management to do what the second arbitration said.

Clear as mud?

 

[redflyer65]

Red only cares if it's his money. He's not bright enough to realize that he's next. It's a common syndrome.

Yawn.

I'm next for what Dicko?

Your overly dramatic post? Probably.


I think PCL got it right, but I would predict that even if AAI 'wins', Southwest isn't going to issue one more dime on this acquisition. So then off to another arby with SW airlines. We should see that around 2018..... maybe.

 

[maxblast72]

I wouldn't start counting those chickens just yet. A merits case is a far different animal than a jurisdictional case. SWAPA's claim on the jurisdiction case was just batsh!t crazy. There was no way we were losing that one. But the merits case isn't quite so easy.

Seriously? I just went out and signed a contract on a $500K house in ATL after I read the ATN MEC blast the other day.

 

[DougCorp-9]

You can have my SWA 737 CP seat as long as I keep getting paid as a CP...

It's not the seat. I could care less about the seat. I don't want a giant pay cut.