AirTran MEC Chair message.

[carl p]

Let me sum up the whole SIA process simply once and for all. Our team brought a knife to a gunfight...

 

[waveflyer]

So did ours carl.

Bc we didn't fare much better. We didn't even bother with the knife bc we knew who had the cannon.
Bottom line, I can't wait until we're integrated so we can both get on with whatever we feel about the tough luv our mgmt showed us in this arranged marriage. Say what you will but mgmt strong armed both sides in the way THEY thought was fair to keep the SLI from going too deep into battle. Right, wrong, effective or not- I get them not wanting to leave it on us alone and drag out. Now it's on them to keep connecting this puzzle, and laying the foundation for a new future. Naive as it seems, I still see great things on the horizon, albeit requiring patience the next few years.

 

[carl p]

I can appreciate that.

 

[SWA Bubba]

I got an idea.

How about the WN guys stop giving thier opinions on how lucky we are and we'll stop giving our opinions on how bad we got screwed, because that's all they are, just opinions based on each other's versions of the facts

But, if we do that, then we'll have nothing to read and we'll be trolling the Delta TA thread and adding to the "I told you so's" in the aftermath. I really don't know which is worse other than the fact that it's a pretty safe bet no FL or WN pilot will ever fly with a Delta pilot.

Good idea. Thirty-four pages (so far), rehashing the same crap, over and over. I suspect that QuietFlight (who threw the sh1t grenade and then left the room) really works for a drug company trying to raise his profit margins on blood pressure medicine.

All this bitching from both sides does is keep a scabbed-over wound from healing. Like it or not, neither side's pilots ended up with much of a say. Neither side's pilots really liked how this was done or the outcome. And most importantly, neither side's pilots are gonna' change anything about this. It's done. The marriage has been recorded, and we're all now step-siblings. We can bitch all we want, but we're not going to get our "dad" to divorce your "mom" because we don't like which kid got the best room or the best toys.*

Grow up, get over it, and learn to work together. Or you're going to have a really, really sucky life.

As far as what else to talk about, there's always the soap operas going on at the other airlines to administer our wisdom to. There's always the perennial pot-stirrers to bitch-slap (in fact, I kinda' miss Fubijaakr in this regard). Geez, isn't it time for another "Is General Lee really OYS" thread yet? I'm sure we can find something else to bitch about.

Bubba

* However, if any of you guys touches my stuff, I WILL put my nutsack on your drumset.

 

[Britpilot]

Don't you think it's condescending to tell people to "grow up "?
Other than that, good post.

 

[madjack]

In hindsight, the FL pilots that led the shootdown of SL9 deservedly shoulder the blame for any financial pain being felt on the ATN side of the partition...

 

[sfomarc]

I didn't vote for it, so I'll "cry" about it all I want, thanks. And you seem to be missing the point here: we were lied to and mislead by management during the voting process.

We were all lied to.

 

[Dan Roman]

In hindsight, the FL pilots that led the shootdown of SL9 deservedly shoulder the blame for any financial pain being felt on the ATN side of the partition...

Isn't true that when they voted the first time they were under the impression that if an acceptable agreement wasn't reached SWA would allow arbitration, but when the second offer came it included all kinds of threats should it not pass. Not the least was that SWA was not going to allow it to go to arbitration?

 

[waveflyer]

Wow Dan, let's everybody get back into it 4 seconds after having the same words, so Dan can catch up.

 

[redflyer65]

Isn't true that when they voted the first time they were under the impression that if an acceptable agreement wasn't reached SWA would allow arbitration, but when the second offer came it included all kinds of threats should it not pass. Not the least was that SWA was not going to allow it to go to arbitration?

Dan,

To be honest, we told them on here time and time again that you don't want to rattle the cage at the Southwest GO. Pretty much every AAI pilot on here, including PCL and Lear told us we were full of sh*t.

Then they tried to push the timeline on SL9 to the absolute limit to run out the clock for arbitration. We waited WEEKS for them to vote it down.

I hate to tell you I told you so, but I told you so.

The AAI pilots really need to focus their anger on the AAI MEC. They voted millions of dollars and increased furlough protection down. Period, end of story.

 

[Dan Roman]

Wow Dan, let's everybody get back into it 4 seconds after having the same words, so Dan can catch up.

Now Wave you don't have to be condescending about it. That's my impression, but the SWA folks on here seem to be so far from an opinion that would acknowledge that fact that I thought perhaps I was unaware of some details. I don't profess to have as much insight into this as those of you that are obviously much closer to this than I am.
But if what I said is in fact the reality of it, you folks on the SWA side are saying things that are indefensibly arrogant and wrong. Things like' Hey you voted for it!" or even worse, blaming the AirTran MEC when they negotiated in good faith, and SWA was the deceitful party.

 

[Dan Roman]

We posted at the same time Red, but ^^^^^^.
I don't see how you can blame the AirTran folks for believing SWA would be true to their word, and than when they weren't and stabbed them in the back, it's their fault??

 

[redflyer65]

Dan,

What part of 'the SW first deal is going to be the best', don't you understand?

Why couldn't the AAI MEC send it out to the members for a full vote?

It was a train wreck in the making. I was hoping they'd vote it in and we could all move forward together, but the MEC decided to throw mud in Gary's face. It was a sad how it turned out.

The reality is that the AAI MEC was stalling for arbitration. Gary didn't want that and stated it many, many times. Who won?

 

[Dan Roman]

I would say it's the MEC's job to do what they think will produce the best deal for the pilot's, period. If the deal was less than what they thought they at least could get in arbitration, than why would they put a "train wreck" out to the pilots to vote on? It's not their fault SWA went back on their word.

 

[redflyer65]

Simply,

Gary put his best deal on the table. The MEC wanted more. Unfortunately, the AAI pilots lost hundreds of thousands of dollars because the Fantastic Seven shut it down. I would have never voted against Gary and pushed sooo hard for arbitration. But hey, it's water under the bridge. We tried to tell them, they didn't care.