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It seems to me that we have two extremes on this thread, and no one in the middle (the reality). We've got some that seem to think that we shouldn't even be considering a strike, while others seem to relish the idea and think we shouldn't even be considering Alaska rates, as if they're too low. Both of these sides are ridiculous.

On the one side, you need to realize that you have no leverage if you don't prepare for a strike. Without the credible threat of a strike, management has no incentive to bargain. If they believe that the pilot group won't carry through on a strike, then they can just sit back and wait for the NMB to release us, because they know that the pilot group won't have the balls to use the leverage that the NMB has given us. Not a smart strategy. The credible threat of a strike, and the willingness of the pilot group to carry through on it, is absolutely essential for effective bargaining under the RLA.

On the other side, however, you need to realize that expecting something like a 50% pay raise for FOs is absolutely laughable. That would put our 7-year FOs making far more than 12-year FOs at Alaska, Delta, AMR, etc. No NMB, even the Obama NMB, will even consider releasing you with such ridiculous demands. You would be in the same position as the APA, with the NMB not even bothering to schedule negotiating dates for months at a time. Sound productive? Of course not. On one hand you seem to want to strike, but on the other hand you want to make demands that will ensure that the NMB will never even consider allowing you to do so. Time for reality, guys.

Thankfully, most of our pilots are somewhere in the middle. They want a vastly improved contract, similar to Alaska, Hawaiian, etc., and they're willing to strike if they don't get it, although they don't want to strike. That is the reasonable position, and that's what's going to get us what we want.



You sound awfully familiar :)

One more time, just for you ....

Aim higher than Alaska rates . It can be done. Even if the ALPA lawyers say it cant. When people said " at least Alaska " it didn't mean "at most Alaska".

If you think the HA rates are anywhere close to satisfactory then you have a nasty shock around the corner.

This is a ten year contract for AirTran pilots. Unless a bus hits the current management group. Heaven forbid.

Disclaimer: No offense was intended or implied to any AK or HA employee.
Goal was to encourage and educate the poster that the 'industry standard' should never be the aim. Especially this industry, at this time.
 
Is this newhire class 717s or 737s


Since no one seems to want to answer your question, I will take a shot. Right now it looks like a lot of 717 guys are bidding into the 48 737 vacancies for the MKE base. Best guess would be a majority of new hires would be on the 717.
 
If you hate it that much then leave...

That's part of the problem around this sh*thole. Too many a**holes that "have theirs" and just tell the rest of us to leave if we don't like it. How about trying to make this a better place to work for yourself and the guy sitting next to you instead of telling us to leave.
 
Not to get off the track of bashing AirTran, but I'm assuming if one were able to get his application in before the window closed that he/she may have a good shot at this round of hiring?
 
" On the other side, however, you need to realize that expecting something like a 50% pay raise... is absolutely laughable. "

Really? Well, that's exactly what management is hoping you would say and think.

ALPA says it can't be done?

WRONG.

Ask the DHL guys how well they did percentage wise on their contract of ( I believe ) 1996 or so.

50% and better pay raises, immediately, not over the span of the contract.

We did the same thing at ATA in 2002. ( Too bad it didn't last. )

Expectations determine outcome. You may want to adjust yours....


YKMKR
 
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" On the other side, however, you need to realize that expecting something like a 50% pay raise... is absolutely laughable. "

Really? Well, that's exactly what management is hoping you would say and think.

ALPA says it can't be done?

WRONG.

Ask the DHL guys how well they did percentage wise on their contract of ( I believe ) 1996 or so.

50% and better pay raises, immediately, not over the span of the contract.

We did the same thing at ATA in 2002. ( Too bad it didn't last. )

Expectations determine outcome. You may want to adjust yours....


YKMKR


That is a great example two companies that don't exist!
 
"That is a great example two companies that don't exist!"

Yes, a poor choice of carriers, Whino. Have some better examples you'd care to sight?
 
Huh? Whut? Did someone say sumthin'?
Please keep in mind that the pilot wages at both DHL and ATA had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the collapse of those two companies. Pilot wages are a drop in the bucket compared to overall operations.

However, bad management is not and that is what ultimately killed those two companies.
 
Please keep in mind that the pilot wages at both DHL and ATA had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the collapse of those two companies. Pilot wages are a drop in the bucket compared to overall operations.

However, bad management is not and that is what ultimately killed those two companies.
So what are you saying, Airtran has good management since Airtran has tripled in size over the last 10 years while airlines like ATA, Indepedence, Skybus, National, and the real Midwest have gone out of business due to bad management.
 

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