AirTran Furloughs coming

[stratus72]

....want to bet that beer now?

YES!!!!

 

[stratus72]

Oops, thought you wrote "get" not "bet." I think we could all use a beer. Best of luck to all of you. we here at F9 are on very thin ice, so I know the feeling.

 

[PCL_128]

Oops, thought you wrote "get" not "bet." I think we could all use a beer. Best of luck to all of you. we here at F9 are on very thin ice, so I know the feeling.

Joey, could I make it a scotch instead? I could use something stronger than Budweiser horse piss.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joey, could I make it a scotch instead? I could use something stronger than Budweiser horse piss.

....hey at least we can agree that Bud is horse piss....:beer:

You can buy me a Sam Adams instead....

 

[gearup5]

voting no, don't even need to see what the company is proposing. I am already paid to little. My year over year raise has not kept up with the cost of gas and groceries. Eat sh-t bob.

 

[71driver]

RV,

You are 100% correct they will use them as negotiating tools sad but that is their MO just be sure to tell your F/O's that it is B.S.
The pay cuts will get shot down we are already under a concessionary pay

 

[Tanker Clown]

voting no, don't even need to see what the company is proposing. I am already paid to little. My year over year raise has not kept up with the cost of gas and groceries. Eat sh-t bob.

It refreshing to hear an ATL based pilot group talk like this. Your friends in the double breasted smoking jackets are probably proposing wage concessions to Dick Anderson right now.

 

[PCL_128]

It refreshing to hear an ATL based pilot group talk like this. Your friends in the double breasted smoking jackets are probably proposing wage concessions to Dick Anderson right now.

You mean the guys that just secured pay raises for themselves and other improvements? Take you DAL/NWA hatred elsewhere. I think most AAI pilots support them and are very happy to see them raising the bar.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Secured pay raises? They don't make what they did in 2000. Sounds like a pay cut to me. Maybe if they had a union they could do better.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Secured pay raises? They don't make what they did in 2000. Sounds like a pay cut to me. Maybe if they had a union they could do better.

As usual, you make no sense at all. Babble Babble Babble

 

[Clyde Frog]

the concessions will be voted down, no question.

The problem I see is if the NPA allows the company to to furlough even one pilot while keeping the training dept old guys. If this happens, I say recall them and get alpa on the property asap! That would be it for me.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Delta took huge paycuts. They make LESS now than they did in 2000. Since then, gas has gone from less than $1 a gallon to well over $4. I'm still trying to figure out how Delta "secured pay raises" like PCL 128 said.

 

[jester757]

Any idea how many downgrades and how far back? 180 guys....that sucks.

Joe is smoking crack if he thinks concessions are the way out of this mess. Hold your gound.

 

[contrail67]

Well, so was DAL,CAL,NWA,Lcc and others.
They are going to furlough too. Is it somehow different at AirTran?

Oil is probably about the same price too for them....duh.

 

[Soverytired]

Well, so was DAL,CAL,NWA,Lcc and others.
They are going to furlough too. Is it somehow different at AirTran?

I suppose the question is did they suspect this was a likely outcome, and if so, did they discuss it in their interview process early this year?

(I confess . . . I was offered an interview, but my suspicions were it would be a very, very risky move this year . .. hence I declined)

Of all the carriers you list above, AirTran seems the most likely to be in a position to expect this, and one wonders how candid they were with their potential new hires.

DAL, CAL, and NWA probably truly believed that they were doing ok . . . and some here still argue DAL/NWA won't furlough (I don't know anything other than there are two camps on the subject).

Rough times, in any case.

 

[27 driver]

I suppose the question is did they suspect this was a likely outcome, and if so, did they discuss it in their interview process early this year?

(I confess . . . I was offered an interview, but my suspicions were it would be a very, very risky move this year . .. hence I declined)

Of all the carriers you list above, AirTran seems the most likely to be in a position to expect this, and one wonders how candid they were with their potential new hires.

DAL, CAL, and NWA probably truly believed that they were doing ok . . . and some here still argue DAL/NWA won't furlough (I don't know anything other than there are two camps on the subject).

Rough times, in any case.

To answer your question they did not discuss this with newhires. I am one of them. I was hired early 08 and the plan then was about 150 more new hires this year and 8 or 9 more 737's. Oil was about $75 a barrel then. I don't think anybody really thought it would be where it is today. That is way above my pay grade though. I hope this "bubble" bursts soon and we can come back to work. But not at concessionary rates.

 

[fletch717]

Oil is probably about the same price too for them....duh.

The point I was making was a response to the post that AirTran was somehow a terrible company for hiring pilots in 08 and not warning them about the possibility of furlough. Most airlines were hiring in early 08 and now most are going to furlough. Why would you single AT out as the only bad company. Contrail you are managements favorite type of employee, sharp as a bag of doughnuts.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe is smoking crack if he thinks concessions are the way out of this mess. Hold your gound.

Go back and re-read what I said....Concessions are not the "way out of this mess". The only way out of this mess is to get oil prices down...

The concessions will be used to extend the life of an airline with a terminal disease for a month or two in hopes that oil comes down. It is simply a way to preserve cash to last a little longer....If oil doesn't come down we ALL be out of work soon....

Because of the seniority system, at least 50% will probably reluctantly support trying to "extend the runway" a little longer in hopes that the oil bubble pops....

If you want carriers to stop taking concessions you need to start working on transportability of seniority/longevity....

 

[fletch717]

I suppose the question is did they suspect this was a likely outcome, and if so, did they discuss it in their interview process early this year?

(I confess . . . I was offered an interview, but my suspicions were it would be a very, very risky move this year . .. hence I declined)

Of all the carriers you list above, AirTran seems the most likely to be in a position to expect this, and one wonders how candid they were with their potential new hires.

DAL, CAL, and NWA probably truly believed that they were doing ok . . . and some here still argue DAL/NWA won't furlough (I don't know anything other than there are two camps on the subject).

Rough times, in any case.

NWA is going to park 100 DC 9,s yea there will be furloughs, lots of furloughs. Nothing will be announced until the merger is approved.

 

[fletch717]

Of all the carriers you list above, AirTran seems the most likely to be in a position to expect this, and one wonders how candid they were with their potential new hires.

If you actually believe that statement you are clueless.