AirTran DRC - judgement !

[PCL_128]

Yea, I've never seen anything that harsh on the Southwest side.

We have.

Wasn't a guy fired for dropping his family off at a rally while he happened to be in uniform?

No, he was suspended for a few days. The union covered his pay, and the suspension was overturned later.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

We have.

No you haven't. You would be out of a job if the government teet didn't provide you one at SWA after your company was bought. Funny how no one seems to understand the completely socialist aspect of this. Be thankful a couple of useless senators GAVE you seniority at SWA. If you were in any other business, you would be out of work because of it.

No, he was suspended for a few days. The union covered his pay, and the suspension was overturned later.

Define "a few days." And you're saying he wasn't fired? Should we pull up the posts from when it happened?

 

[K-Mart]

Not that I can remember. He was a hard negotiator, and he certainly used old-school tactics, but when you had a deal with him, you had a deal. If he was going to screw you over, he just told you to your face that he was going to screw you over. No bait-and-switch. The same wasn't true of other AirTran managers, who definitely changed their "interpretation" after the fact, but not with SK.

Yeah well those managers worked for him and I don't believe for a sec that he wouldn't bait and switch. Think that guy pretty much would do anything.

Look I feel bad about how things went down for you guys, I really do. But it's better to take a bit of ownership for what happened and quit deflecting it on everyone else like SWA, SWAPA, Steve Chase, AirTran pilots, MC pilots etc..... Probably left a few off here so sorry in advance.

 

[-9Capt]

"Pilots like to think they're special people, they're not. Their contribution to the success of AirTran is no greater than that of anyone else" - Stephen Kolski, Atlanta Journal Constitution.

It wasn't long after that when the 9kt taxiing started and APU usage increased.

 

[Just thinking]

now for something really important...............

Happy 238th United States Marine Corps

Semper Fi my brothers

 

[ces152]

Is there a letter out there from SWA to the DOT saying the 717 will be parked by 2015? If so where can I view a copy?

 

[HowardBorden]

Is there a letter out there from SWA to the DOT saying the 717 will be parked by 2015? If so where can I view a copy?

From an Airline Pilot Central forum post:

"The transition of these aircraft to Delta started in July of 2013, and will continue through January 2015. At which time, any remaining aircraft are planned to be removed from revenue service until they are transitioned to Delta."

Regulations.gov

 

[ces152]

Thanks. That is pretty cut and dry on the plans for the 717.

 

[fareview]

Andy,

Totally agree. Indefensible & disgraceful.

As was invading Iraq.

fv

 

[THEPRFCT10]

Seems pretty clear to me.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Andy,

Totally agree. Indefensible & disgraceful.

As was invading Iraq.

fv

But invading Libya was ok?

 

[PCL_128]

No you haven't. You would be out of a job if the government teet didn't provide you one at SWA after your company was bought. Funny how no one seems to understand the completely socialist aspect of this. Be thankful a couple of useless senators GAVE you seniority at SWA. If you were in any other business, you would be out of work because of it.

Wrong. We had a contract, nimrod. Didn't need any federal legislation, although it is nice legislation to protect those without the necessary contractual protections.

Define "a few days." And you're saying he wasn't fired? Should we pull up the posts from when it happened?

No, he was not fired. You're thinking about someone else. I believe it was a 5 day suspension.

 

[PCL_128]

Yeah well those managers worked for him

Wrong. You don't have a clue what you're talking about here. Completely different chain of command.

and I don't believe for a sec that he wouldn't bait and switch. Think that guy pretty much would do anything.

You don't even know the guy. Haven't had any dealings with him at all.

Look I feel bad about how things went down for you guys, I really do. But it's better to take a bit of ownership for what happened and quit deflecting it on everyone else like SWA, SWAPA, Steve Chase, AirTran pilots, MC pilots etc..... Probably left a few off here so sorry in advance.

I've only placed blame on some of the above. And it is well deserved.

 

[K-Mart]

Uh yeah right. Sorry bro good luck. If you really are a Union Thug don't
Think you'd be romantizing one of Frank Lorenzo's LT's.

As you get older hopefully you'll learn to take the blame a bit when you deserve it and not be a big wimp saying "not my fault!". If ever want a girlfriend you're going to have learn this even when your right.

Either way I wish you the best!

 

[redflyer65]

Define "a few days." And you're saying he wasn't fired? Should we pull up the posts from when it happened?

Maybe we should.

I know that wasn't the only guy fired unjustly. So hostage taking and unjust firings were kinda the norm on the AirTran side. It's not at all that way at SW, thank God.

 

[intooclose]

I can't take this anymore....really! Airtran needs to go away into history now. It has been a place of Eastern scabs and Lorenzo retreads long enough. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[PCL_128]

Uh yeah right. Sorry bro good luck. If you really are a Union Thug don't
Think you'd be romantizing one of Frank Lorenzo's LT's.

It's not romanticizing. You're simply immature. It's not necessary to have a deep seated hatred for the people you bargain against, and it is possible to see some redeeming qualities in them, even when much of their behavior is undesirable. SK was far, far from perfect, and his old school techniques hurt a lot of people. But there are far worse people to deal with in labor relations.

Either way I wish you the best!

Ditto.

 

[PCL_128]

Maybe we should.

I know that wasn't the only guy fired unjustly. So hostage taking and unjust firings were kinda the norm on the AirTran side. It's not at all that way at SW, thank God.

Eh, not quite. It happened, but it was the exception rather than the norm. In reality, getting fired from AirTran took a hell of a lot. There were two big exceptions, and those were the hostages in '08. Neither of them were the guy mentioned earlier who went to the rally in uniform. He only got a suspension.

 

[-9Capt]

Spider-Man and Superman both managed to keep their jobs, however Spider-Man might have been on his way out if he didn't go to Dubai. The go-around king of RDU got canned, so did another guy in Vegas for no good Reason. Someone got a second chance and blew it. Someone else liked to blow it. There were a few pseudo-firings that lasted a week or so. Everyone else got their job back...from what I can remember.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Wrong. We had a contract, nimrod. Didn't need any federal legislation, although it is nice legislation to protect those without the necessary contractual protections.

When your company ceases to exist, your contract doesn't mean much.

No, he was not fired. You're thinking about someone else. I believe it was a 5 day suspension.

Ok. You got me there. The uniform/circus thing was a different dude.