AirTran cancelling classes

[Dude]

give 'em hell boys.....

 

[Lear70]

What is the reason the NPA has not taken up the cause financially of D.L. and Lear to send a message to the MANY weak sisters out there who lack the cajones to take a more active role in getting the company's attention for fear of being held hostage like those two are?

I don't believe that giving us money directly is actually allowed... not just from the bylaws, but from other perspectives as well.

That said, I don't want a free lunch, and working in the NPA offices, while never offered, is something that I wouldn't want to do either. Would still be gone from home about as much as I am now and would likely be making less than I am now, too.

The NPA has helped quite a bit with finding an attorney for my worker's compensation case that won't cost me anything out of pocket, and is fighting the grievance actively. The only thing they haven't done is offered to pay for a top-notch wrongful-termination lawsuit attorney (therefore I've been working on that on my own).

My only gripe is that the NPA hasn't been more vocal with the pilot group about it, getting people riled up and ready to kick a*s when it's time. Many pilots don't even know that DL and I have been taken hostage...

Best thing you can do for us is spread the word... the more people riled up about it, the better. Get them on the NPA board, try to get them to stay engaged, and maybe we'll all fare better in the end!

 

[CatfishVT9]

Not so fast there Lear, recurrent lunch last week you guys were one of the topics brought up. There's alot to be done by this new BOD and that's on the list. Sounds like things will happen.

As for unity, The Prez says that those who took the on-line survey are unified. Lots of the same concerns by those who commented.

 

[Lear70]

That's great to hear, Catfish, I appreciate it. A lot of times we don't hear everything that happens real-time, which is why I've remained supportive of the NPA even before I knew how well they were going to get behind us.

I was also wrong about getting compensation from the NPA. Flight Pay Loss is evidently available if the BoD authorizes it, since the company is obviously retaliating for the work I did trying to rally the pilots to reject the T.A.

Haven't fully explored it yet, will see what I can find out.

Thanks again for everyone's support!

 

[IAHERJ]

I know the 10 year guy we are talking about very well. I just spent some time at his beautiful house on Lake Travis in Austin a day ago riding mountain bikes. The house is for sale. He has absolutely no regrets about his decision. He is studying for his oral etc. as we speak and looks forward to moving into the downtown Austin area to live in much smaller digs for a couple of years. It was never about the money for him(sure he enjoys the good things in life). He has always commuted from Austin but owned a house in ATL for years. I tried to get him an interview at Continental but they dragged their feet and Delta won a good guy from us. I'm not going to put words in his mouth without permission but it was a combination of many things that prompted him to leave AirTran. His exchange with the two chief pilots on his way out was very cordial and both actually wished him the best in his endavours. Very classy I thought. When I left AirTran in 2005, they were a bit upset about so many people cutting out of class etc. for FEDEX that I was worried about turning in my 2 weeks notice. They were cordial to me as well. I think YL will do just fine at Delta. I don't see them furloughing at all with all the new widebodies arriving over the next few years. What do I know though? Just wanted to correct some misstatements about the guy in question. AirTran is a good airline. Some people just want more. To bad mouth them as being "stupid" for leaving is showing your ignorance. I know I'd rather be unemployed than to have never chased my career goal. Easier for some to do than others given family situation, other incomes etc.

IAHERJ

 

[curtis46]

If money and job security were the only parameters, we would all have an applicaion on file with FEDEX.
He took a chance granted, which may pay off....or not.

 

[curtis46]

Katfish is right,LEAR;questions about your situation come up all the time.even people who desagree with your action,are honest enough to recognize that the company was wrong.
Hope to see you on property some day.

 

[IAHERJ]

If money and job security were the only parameters, we would all have an applicaion on file with FEDEX.
He took a chance granted, which may pay off....or not.

And "paying off" to you means what? To him it means flying the 767(which is what he is on) all over the world. He, and I for that matter, would rather do that from the right seat for a career than remain at AirTran. That probably doesn't make sense to you. That's okay with me. Flying for a legacy in the right seat is a lot different in so many ways than flying the right seat at AirTran. I'm not even talking about the pay.
"Paying off" to you it seems is all about money. Nothing wrong with that. In fact most people measure their careers by their monthly paycheck. It's like my buddy who is a broker for Merril Lynch. He could be making a bit more money short term by working for that strip center brokerage firm we see all over the country. He is much more happy being a part of a much larger, well known brokerage firm with all the perks that go along with working there even though he knows that he could be thrown out on the street at any time being such a short timer there. It is a gamble most people who strive to attain such a lofty goal make to move forward. Some people are content to make due with his/her current situation. Judging one either way is not for you nor I to do.

IAHERJ

 

[PCL_128]

You're right, it doesn't make sense to me. Nothing more than "shiny wide-bodied jet syndrome." An airplane is an airplane. If it paid $300k and gave me 25 days off a month, I'd fly an RJ for the rest of my career. The people that salivate over flying a 767 just don't make sense to me. It's just an airplane, people. What matters is the time you spend at home, not the time you spend in an aluminum tube.

 

[Lear70]

Katfish is right,LEAR;questions about your situation come up all the time.even people who desagree with your action,are honest enough to recognize that the company was wrong.
Hope to see you on property some day.

That's good to know, I appreciate it.

There's about a dozen guys I stay in contact with but, not being around, I never hear how everyone else is reacting and from a thread on one of the other boards, was hearing that a lot of guys don't have any clue that DL and I were taken hostage.

Everyone may not agree, and I understand that, but I'm glad they realize the company can't be allowed to get away with everything they've done recently, including all the contract reinterpretations that basically steal money and time from the pilots.

It's just not right, and I'm glad to hear the NPA is spreading the word (we don't hear much about that either except from you guys).

Fly Safe!

p.s. YL is a very intelligent person. I'm sure he knows it's a gamble, but I'm sure he's doing what he thinks is best and he's in a family/money situation to do it. Best of luck to him!

 

[CoolSidePillow]

You're right, it doesn't make sense to me. Nothing more than "shiny wide-bodied jet syndrome." An airplane is an airplane. If it paid $300k and gave me 25 days off a month, I'd fly an RJ for the rest of my career. The people that salivate over flying a 767 just don't make sense to me. It's just an airplane, people. What matters is the time you spend at home, not the time you spend in an aluminum tube.

Opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has them. It is not for any person to decide or judge on the decisions or actions of another unless they harm another person in some way. Some people would rather be home with wife and kids and some do not have wife and kids. Some people want to work a few days a month and make tons of cash and some want to enjoy life as they see it. Perhaps for some people the idea of flying a widebody aircraft around the world is better than watching mom wipe the snot from junior's nose. Not everyone wants the family life or kids or a wife that has a butt as big as a pickup tailgate. It is all relative. Who is anyone to say what is good, bad, right, or wrong for another?

 

[IAHERJ]

Opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has them. It is not for any person to decide or judge on the decisions or actions of another unless they harm another person in some way. Some people would rather be home with wife and kids and some do not have wife and kids. Some people want to work a few days a month and make tons of cash and some want to enjoy life as they see it. Perhaps for some people the idea of flying a widebody aircraft around the world is better than watching mom wipe the snot from junior's nose. Not everyone wants the family life or kids or a wife that has a butt as big as a pickup tailgate. It is all relative. Who is anyone to say what is good, bad, right, or wrong for another?

Haha! Well said.....

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Who is anyone to say what is good, bad, right, or wrong for another?

Uhhh ... I think they're called Republicans.

 

[curtis46]

Slow down iaherj,if you reread my post i said money and stability are not the deciding factors for many people.as far as the pay off comment,the day you retire is the day everyone of us can look back at choices that we made as a good carrier move or not.

 

[Just thinking]

To heck with cancelling classes...cancel SAP2

We would save more money and have much more productive lines if we could just get the incompetent individuals in Orlando to put SAP 2 back on FLCIA. Pilot lines would be more productive and reserves would be better served than "hiding" the time. You could get rid of most of the people that are supposedly "planning" and put them to work elsewhere.... helping gate agents, janitorial staff or baggage. All the money that would be saved could be used to grow the airline at least a couple of percentage points. Think of the huge wad of money that has been wasted through their ineptness over the course of the last five years and more. Sure wish this could be brought to the attention of the shareholders. Faced with a sure fire way to improve productivity out of the workforce and leaving things in a state of disprepair, which prudent course of action would an aggressive managerial force pursue? Makes you say.... HUH????!!!!

 

[Moustache]

Uhhh ... I think they're called Republicans.

Thank all the NY d0uchbags for Hillary!!!!!

 

[Lear70]

Sure wish this could be brought to the attention of the shareholders. Faced with a sure fire way to improve productivity out of the workforce and leaving things in a state of disprepair, which prudent course of action would an aggressive managerial force pursue? Makes you say.... HUH????!!!!

Did you buy a share of stock and are you going to the shareholder's meeting?

Free bus ride with your stock certificate...

 

[Captjiggles]

Originally Posted by PCL_128
You're right, it doesn't make sense to me. Nothing more than "shiny wide-bodied jet syndrome." An airplane is an airplane. If it paid $300k and gave me 25 days off a month, I'd fly an RJ for the rest of my career. The people that salivate over flying a 767 just don't make sense to me. It's just an airplane, people. What matters is the time you spend at home, not the time you spend in an aluminum tube.

PCL_128, I know you would never have had the balls to even approach yves with your opinionated garbage. Good Luck YL!

 

[PCL_128]

PCL_128, I know you would never have had the balls to even approach yves with your opinionated garbage. Good Luck YL!

A little over sensitive, don't you think? I wasn't attacking the guy, just saying that I think it's a mistake. I've said the same thing to a couple of copilots I know that made the same decision. I just don't think it's a wise move.

 

[Captjiggles]

I guess we should all consult with you before making any decisions in life. Thanks