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AirTran Airways pilots launch ALPA ballot drive!

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No matter what union you guys end up having, you will still only be as good as your elected officials. Don't elect management wannabes!

I've heard from some that ALPA may not be good because you're next door to DAL. Well, if the DAL pilots know better, they should want you guys to get the best contract you can possibly get! This will prevent some undercutting to their business that MIGHT take place. It's that simple. Anybody with a fifth grade education should know and understand that.

Hell, I want every regional captain to make $150 per hour! If that was the case, we wouldn't see so many RJs. Instead we would see more Major jobs with more stable careers for everyone.
 
It can be or not, depending on how it's done. Usually there's nothing wrong with it, just pointing out how you love to generalize and assume. We get it Rez.

Our lawyer sucked, pure and simple. Read the Comair 1113c hearing if you don't believe me. Has nothing to do with who is or was sitting in the white house. My guess is you haven't read it, for there really is no defending the guy. Reading the transcript, I was embarassed that he was the best our union could put up against management. End result - Comair got the freedom to throw out the pilot contract. End of any leverage for the pilots, thanks ALPA. How did you guys at United do over the last seven years?


Got it.... ALPA sucks....

So what do you propose.... or do you just want to be the guy that says ALPA sucks....? are you that guy?
 
I don't think Lorenzo did anything extrodinanry other than exploit an obvious weakness in organized labor under the RLA threshold.

You are showing your ignorance on history.



Like NPA, the in house sucked slightly more than ALPA (happy), plus all the meet and greets pushed the mindless over the fence.

So 59,000 ALPA members including the pilots of UAL and DAL that you serve are mindless...




To me ALPA comes across as this lugging dinosaur in orthodics shuffling up the hall of the senior center with it's Commodore 64 in hand screaming "it's here to save 1978". It's simply grown into this lathergic economic beast that's too afraid to be a real union, it's become more of a corporation that like General Motors that has minions like yourself defending the CEO (prator) recieving disgusting compensation packages and past presidents getting golden parachutes ie; lifetime pensions (Worthless).

There might be some truth to that.... but if you are going jab at compensation, then I'll jab at your "why buy the cow, get the milk for free". From my perspective that is just embarrassing to be an Air Line Pilot, knowing that you are freeloading....

You say ALPA is out of touch, but yet you still benefit from it....

I believe that ALPA's presence has become an overall drag on the economics of the airline industy that financial experts have been availed to cut it off at the knees, and are much brighter than anybody that ALPA can research with a community college sub-committe. Again it's a corporation, what does ALPA have to lose, it's just a (fill in the name) pilot group, against the overall big picture pilot group.

Everyone has an opinion, and your amateur hour, immature comments indicate you really don't know what you speak of...... do you have references...??


And yes, in my 24 years of line flying I have been burned by ALPA. OO is the one of many airlines I've worked at.

Elaborate, because many guys that have been burned are really guys that just expected ALPA to serve them. They had no clue how the organization, the industry and gov't works. I am guessing that you just went golfing or skiing (for example) and didn't put an ounce of effort into being an ALPA member to protect your career... then when you got slammed by management, you blame ALPA... Just like your Lorenzo comment.

Lorenzo is the Hitler of the Air Line Industry... your comments about Lorenzo are like telling a jew that Hitler wasn't so bad...


It is too bad you can't be objective. I know ALPA has problems and many of us are trying to solve them...

It is easy for a guy like you, to chide and armchair ALPA, knowing you have no responsibilities to your pilots. However, the fact that you benefit so much from ALPA and contribute nothing and still insult and disrespect makes it difficult to respect you. In addition, those of us that are trying to improve the profession have to work harder when we interact with your fellow pilots....
 
Rez,
For someone that appears some what articulate it is baffling to watch your mindless, blinded, cult like obsession to a organization that has clearly lost touch.



Good Luck, sad to watch, but good luck none the less.

Also, keep religion out of it, you don't know who might be reading your type set diarrhea.
 
Spirit is very close to a new contract thanks to the resources provided by ALPA.

ALPA will keep airlines like Aloha from going away. (Aloha)


Congratulations to the Alpa represented Mesa Pilots in becoming Aloha Pilots.

ALPA will be the answer for AirTran. Alpa has done wonders for many airlines.

M
 
Spirit is very close to a new contract thanks to the resources provided by ALPA.

ALPA will keep airlines like Aloha from going away. (Aloha)


Congratulations to the Alpa represented Mesa Pilots in becoming Aloha Pilots.

ALPA will be the answer for AirTran. Alpa has done wonders for many airlines.

M


Yawn...................
 
I will sign an APLA card as soon as I see it....it can't be soon enough our NPA is a JOKE, WORTHLESS, DISFUNCTIONAL, PUPPET MASTER, SPINELESS, NOT WORTHY OF EVEN BEING CALLES A UNION!!!
WE spend about 1.8 million a year and all we have got for that is the further errosion of our contract, oh and two pilots out of a job and our union is doing business as usual....no I think ALPA will win hands down most folks don't see the teamsters as a good fit for PILOTS.

What makes you think ALPA will change that? Your MEC will still be AirTran pilots, much like the ones you already have in charge of your Union.
The only difference is that you will be paying ALPA 2% of your paycheck for nothing in return....but the MEC will have a great time at all thier conventions.

I forget Praters new slogan. Is it' "Taken it in the back" or "taking it up the backside"???
 
Spirit is very close to a new contract thanks to the resources provided by ALPA.

ALPA will keep airlines like Aloha from going away. (Aloha)


Congratulations to the Alpa represented Mesa Pilots in becoming Aloha Pilots.

ALPA will be the answer for AirTran. Alpa has done wonders for many airlines.

M
Marty:
Who did you guys have representing you at Gulfstream?
When they fired you for failing to pass your initial checkout who represented you? Did you ever get your PFT money back?
 
We already pay 2.1% for nothing, so 1.95% is at least a discount. Pay more for less. Gee, what a great deal. :rolleyes:

Our union needs adult supervision. For example, our union President actually called the cops and had them escort out members of our own committees. The investigation afterwards was able to turn up absolutely nothing that these guys had done wrong, but their reputations are now harmed as a result of the NPA's incompetence. Would something like this have happened if ALPA had been around? Of course not. The ALPA attorneys would have advised against it and the ALPA President never would have authorized such a silly display.
 
FOs that top out at $79/hr? Unacceptable.
I agree. So what do you suggest you should pay the company to fly that airplane, since you've done it in the past.
Think of the number of pilots you put out of a job because you wanted to pay for that job. It's all about you, how fast PCL_128 can move up the ladder.
So I ask you again, how much are you willing to pay for your job?
 
Alpa and Teamsters -- airlines and autos-- now there is a combination that certainly works and has a tremendous success rate.
And how many carriers are there today versus a number of years ago? And how easy is it to take your skills to another carrier?
At least an in house union has your interests at heart and does not have you fighting for some one elses problems.
 
yeah NPA voting now with just 4 days left and only 600 pilots that have voted out of 1700. Really active pilot group. NPA has sent emails out for the past several days and no one votes?????? WHY???

ALPA is going to change what ?? I do not think ALPA would be voting to throw the furlough guys out of the union ..... good things just keep coming...

I agree if people in the union are looking into files that is not any of their business or committee; it could be against the law, and the union could be sued. Pres. did the right thing, our attorney is a joke!!
 

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