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AirTran Airways pilots launch ALPA ballot drive!

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Spirit is very close to a new contract thanks to the resources provided by ALPA.

ALPA will keep airlines like Aloha from going away. (Aloha)


Congratulations to the Alpa represented Mesa Pilots in becoming Aloha Pilots.

ALPA will be the answer for AirTran. Alpa has done wonders for many airlines.

M


Yawn...................
 
I will sign an APLA card as soon as I see it....it can't be soon enough our NPA is a JOKE, WORTHLESS, DISFUNCTIONAL, PUPPET MASTER, SPINELESS, NOT WORTHY OF EVEN BEING CALLES A UNION!!!
WE spend about 1.8 million a year and all we have got for that is the further errosion of our contract, oh and two pilots out of a job and our union is doing business as usual....no I think ALPA will win hands down most folks don't see the teamsters as a good fit for PILOTS.

What makes you think ALPA will change that? Your MEC will still be AirTran pilots, much like the ones you already have in charge of your Union.
The only difference is that you will be paying ALPA 2% of your paycheck for nothing in return....but the MEC will have a great time at all thier conventions.

I forget Praters new slogan. Is it' "Taken it in the back" or "taking it up the backside"???
 
Spirit is very close to a new contract thanks to the resources provided by ALPA.

ALPA will keep airlines like Aloha from going away. (Aloha)


Congratulations to the Alpa represented Mesa Pilots in becoming Aloha Pilots.

ALPA will be the answer for AirTran. Alpa has done wonders for many airlines.

M
Marty:
Who did you guys have representing you at Gulfstream?
When they fired you for failing to pass your initial checkout who represented you? Did you ever get your PFT money back?
 
We already pay 2.1% for nothing, so 1.95% is at least a discount. Pay more for less. Gee, what a great deal. :rolleyes:

Our union needs adult supervision. For example, our union President actually called the cops and had them escort out members of our own committees. The investigation afterwards was able to turn up absolutely nothing that these guys had done wrong, but their reputations are now harmed as a result of the NPA's incompetence. Would something like this have happened if ALPA had been around? Of course not. The ALPA attorneys would have advised against it and the ALPA President never would have authorized such a silly display.
 
FOs that top out at $79/hr? Unacceptable.
I agree. So what do you suggest you should pay the company to fly that airplane, since you've done it in the past.
Think of the number of pilots you put out of a job because you wanted to pay for that job. It's all about you, how fast PCL_128 can move up the ladder.
So I ask you again, how much are you willing to pay for your job?
 
Alpa and Teamsters -- airlines and autos-- now there is a combination that certainly works and has a tremendous success rate.
And how many carriers are there today versus a number of years ago? And how easy is it to take your skills to another carrier?
At least an in house union has your interests at heart and does not have you fighting for some one elses problems.
 
yeah NPA voting now with just 4 days left and only 600 pilots that have voted out of 1700. Really active pilot group. NPA has sent emails out for the past several days and no one votes?????? WHY???

ALPA is going to change what ?? I do not think ALPA would be voting to throw the furlough guys out of the union ..... good things just keep coming...

I agree if people in the union are looking into files that is not any of their business or committee; it could be against the law, and the union could be sued. Pres. did the right thing, our attorney is a joke!!
 
And what is the pilot group doing now to boot this guy as President?

We've recalled reps over and over again. It doesn't do any good. The problem is the overall structure.
 
And we are supposed to listen to a guy like you PCL who payed for a job? Who screwed numerous people out of paying jobs so you could buy your way to the top? Now your on the ALPA band wagon because you think they are the magic answer???? ALPA carriers took it in the &#&^ after 9/11. ALPA bent over and let UAL take it, DAL, ALA, USAIR, CAL, and numerous other carriers. Yet SWA, UPS, and AMR are 3 of the 4 highest paid carriers in the industry. Only 1 of the 4 highes paid carriers is ALPA... Yet ALPA carriers took the highes pay cuts of all the airlines... This is what you guys wanna sign up for???
 
Rez,
For someone that appears some what articulate it is baffling to watch your mindless, blinded, cult like obsession to a organization that has clearly lost touch.

Once again you miss the point...

ALPA maybe be FUBAR, however what is the alternative? If ALPA has flaws then lets fix them.



Good Luck, sad to watch, but good luck none the less.

Also, keep religion out of it, you don't know who might be reading your type set diarrhea.

Once again you fail to address the points of my post.


Can you provide and objective analysis of what would happen to the Skywest pilot group if ALPA became non existent?

A parable would be what would happen to a welfare recipient if the state became non existent.


Please provide your thoughts...
 
And we are supposed to listen to a guy like you PCL who payed for a job? Who screwed numerous people out of paying jobs so you could buy your way to the top? Now your on the ALPA band wagon because you think they are the magic answer????

The guy admitted his mistake. He now speaks against people who are looking to take the route he did...

What else do you want?


ALPA carriers took it in the &#&^ after 9/11. ALPA bent over and let UAL take it, DAL, ALA, USAIR, CAL, and numerous other carriers.

Voted on by each pilot. If you don't like it... the query each and every pilot.



Yet SWA, UPS, and AMR are 3 of the 4 highest paid carriers in the industry.

If you compare the UPS and FDX contract it is clear that the UPS contract is a company friendly contract... passed by a small majority.

Whereas the FDX contract passed with a high majority... clearly a pilot friendly contract.



Only 1 of the 4 highes paid carriers is ALPA... Yet ALPA carriers took the highes pay cuts of all the airlines... This is what you guys wanna sign up for???


SWA and UPS are enjoying a relatively good business model and leadership.... and so is FDX.

AMR... or specifically the APA, has had some serious blunders... the sick out and $45M fine and recall the B scale in the 1980's that UAL pilots were forced to contend with, went to the mat with management, struck UAL and defeated the B scale. Thanks APA. In addition, UAL had the 570. 570 new hire pilots that were used as negotiation "hostages". U-ALPA didn't cave and ensured those pilots returned to work....with seniority.


One reason why the UPS contract is weaker than the FDX contract is the ability to strike. ALPA can afford to support a striking pilot group. In house unions cannot.

Thus, the trouble with the NPA at Airtran. They will never get a fair contract because management knows they do not have the resources (IOW the money) to strike.

Why does management have to negotiate with Airtran pilots? FL pilots don't have leverage, or the threat of a strike... until they do, not much will change...
 
I helped negotiate 2 seperate wage increase programs for the pilots at SkyWest.

But because it was not under a format that you can understand, you can do nothing but belittle it.

Trying to negotiate a contract now, with this economy, would be foolish. Most airlines have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

Negotiate? Who are you kidding- you were "given" a wage increase- and it was only what SkyWest was willing to give you, and nothing more.
 
I agree. If the NPA has flaws, then fix those.
That's been tried.

For years.

One reason why the UPS contract is weaker than the FDX contract is the ability to strike. ALPA can afford to support a striking pilot group. In house unions cannot.

Thus, the trouble with the NPA at Airtran. They will never get a fair contract because management knows they do not have the resources (IOW the money) to strike.

Why does management have to negotiate with Airtran pilots? FL pilots don't have leverage, or the threat of a strike... until they do, not much will change...
End of discussion.

You guys can be mad at ALPA all you want, but those are the simple, bottom-line facts.

You want change? NOTHING but FORCE is going to accomplish it. The only way to force anything with the RLA is with the ABILITY to strike. Without a war chest, a strike isn't going to happen.

Sorry you don't like it, but those facts are simply indisputable, with YEARS of history at AirTran behind it.
 
Yet SWA, UPS, and AMR are 3 of the 4 highest paid carriers in the industry. Only 1 of the 4 highes paid carriers is ALPA... Yet ALPA carriers took the highes pay cuts of all the airlines... This is what you guys wanna sign up for???

If APA or SWAPA wanted to represent us, then your argument might have some validity. The NPA vs ALPA? No question there, start sending me my expensive magazine, already.
 

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