Airbus trepidation... convince me otherwise!

[Smarta$$]

The only thing you should be afraid of is the new "negotiated" pay scales on the A319 at AA. Especially the new B-scale FOs (probably regional pay level). :bawling: :angryfire

HOLD THE LINE GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Airbus pilots I speak to love the airplane. I know a few pilots at Delta who claim they have no interest leaving the Airbus fleet (from A319 to the A330 later).

Coming from a right-wing blow hard. Classic.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Negative. Read the accident report; those motors were so destroyed that all he would have accomplished with a cable to the FCU would have been cooking the hot sections with little to no increase in thrust.

AA73, I've got a year on the jet after 8 years of flying various Embraers. I promise once you get used to it, you'll love it. Do you feel like a pilot as much without large moving parts and force feedback? No, honestly. IMHO however, it's still tons of fun to turn off AP/FD and the authothrust and point it where you want it to go. Did that today coming down the CAMRN arrival on a beautiful breezy day at JFK and had a blast driving it all the way to 31R like an old Baron. (For my fellow Blue peeps, I had one of the rare Captains whom encourages that sort of thing rather than cringing at it ). Also, I do much better controlling the balloon when Flaps 2 comes out than Fifi does!

I noticed on the "other board" that you asked about trim with no rocker switch, and I don't think anyone got around to answering that. Pitch trim is with a nice wheel right next to the thrust levers. You'll have to be in a seriously degraded flight computer mode to use that anywhere other than the sim, or setting the stab before takeoff.

Hmmm.....

All -I- got from that post was, ... Wow. You know a guy named "Fifi"?

Bubba

 

[Patriot328]

aa73,

If you go to that plane they will have to pull you off it kicking and screaming... It's a nice ride. None of us are flying a J-3 anymore (well, except your MD80 guys I guess ). It's all hydraulic and backsprings. You'll love the bus. It flies very nicely and I know you're young enough to program a VCR so the FMS won't be a problem for you. Go for it.

 

[Turtle21]

aa73,

If you go to that plane they will have to pull you off it kicking and screaming... It's a nice ride. None of us are flying a J-3 anymore (well, except your MD80 guys I guess ). It's all hydraulic and backsprings. You'll love the bus. It flies very nicely and I know you're young enough to program a VCR so the FMS won't be a problem for you. Go for it.

Yeah, what he said.

Also, stowing the tray table before landing will make you feel like you are a passenger. Well you sorta are.

 

[pianoman]

Which if he had full manual control of the motors he would have flown back around and landed it on the runway.

This is the post I was talking about when I pointed out it has the same motors as the 737 NG.

 

[Golden Falcon]

It's just another airplane, done the Boeing and Airbus thing...the sim is twitchy when doing exercises in direct law, the airplane itself flys like a Pitts in direct law..engine out is a lazy man's job, auto thrust and rudder channel available all the time, so pop in the automatics and leave it go..(who cares whether the thrust levers move or not)..the flight deck is comfortable, the ventilation controls remind me of my 1968 VW Bus, but the airflow is good, the airplane poops out at higher levels in the climb, seems to be wing related..prefer the 321 to the 319, much more stable and quieter... seems there is a landing distance calculation for every cockamamie failure that can occur, Airbus provides a lot of "gee-whiz" info in their FCOMS that is useless, but learn to filter the useful from the "nice to know" at a later date stuff..all the horror stories about "whats it doing now" are self inflicted, the automation modes are a bit different, but same basic principle..( open descent vs Flight level change...same thing, managed "NAV" vs LNAV..) it's an airplane, just fly it like one..I do miss my 767 though....

 

[Hpilot]

Just got done with A320 initial Qual (USairways West) coming off the 737, easiest school I've ever been through. Gonna love this bird!!!!!

Congrats, have fun!

 

[Dornier 335]

Which if he had full manual control of the motors he would have flown back around and landed it on the runway.

I am glad we don't need the NTSB anymore, we have SII!

How much experience in the Bus do you have?

 

[Golden Falcon]

Manual control of the "motors" is just a click away....the thrust levers dont move by themselves, but work just fine if you choose to move them yourself...

 

[Turtle21]

Manual control of the "motors" is just a click away....the thrust levers dont move by themselves, but work just fine if you choose to move them yourself...

If your company allows it.

 

[Turtle21]

OK Folks this question has been a long time coming. I know I'm gonna hear a lot of good and bad from both camps... that's fine.

With the A319 only 1.5 years away from arriving here at AA, I'm trying to erase a long running hesitation in someday flying this bird. For years I strongly disliked the Airbus cockpit philosophy and was rather glad that AA chose to stay true to Boeing.

I've had the opportunity to j/s on United and USAir Airbus cockpits and I must say..... I'm still hesitant. ...
73

Let's make this easy. What do pilots really want? Less work for more pay...

That is the Airbus.

 

[JimNtexas]

...treat class and study like I'm brand new to airlines. Clean slate, humble, and focused.

I'm not in the least qualified to tell airline pilots about their airplanes, but this remark hit home with me.

Many years ago I was an F-4 EWO who got the chance to transition to the F/EF-111. I was at that time pretty full of myself because I had flown a lot of both Weasel and air-to-air missions.

To my surprise, I had a real hard time staying ahead of the Aardvark at first, because the F-4 and F-111 are so very different airplanes. The F-4 was like a John Deer, the F-111 was like the Star Ship Enterprise by comparison.

A couple of instructors pulled me aside and said I had to forget about the F-4 if I was going to suceed in the 'Vark.

They were right, and once I took their advice to heart I did much better, and my F-111 B course check ride was possiblty the only perfect flight I've ever flown in my life.

I learned latter that the Zen Masters figured this thought pattern out a long time ago, it's called 'The Beginner's Mind'.

 

[dirkdigler]

With a good understanding of the aircraft and good airmanship, buses are as good as boeing... just two different things. To me, it's all about understanding the automation built in and the limitations so that you can anticipate with confidence what the plane does or does not do. If you think something is not right, no big deal. You always have an option of taking it over yourself. Hand flying is extremely easy and even fun in buses actually. Are there things I wished I had in buses? You bet. Automatic VNAV capture or audible altitude alerter 1000' before leveling off for example. But all in all, I've grown to like the buses...

 

[mamba20]

When you transition to it could you speed up the taxi. Thanks.

Where paid by the minute, whats your hurry?

 

[CA1900]

With a good understanding of the aircraft and good airmanship, buses are as good as boeing...

A Boeing doesn't bark at the passengers on one engine. :laugh:

 

[Dan Roman]

Some sad airbus outcomes have resulted from pilots not resorting to "old school" and pushing the throttles all the way forward. I was taught the airbus way of setting managed speed etc. and think it can lure you into not being as aware of what is going on with power as a pilot should be. I often take over with vert speed at 1000 above/below just to stay in the piloting game, hate the open descent, level off, 1980s era computers get 10 knots slow then realize full power is needed. Racing up/down to level off often triggers TCAS warnings needlessly anyway.

So have some sad Boeing outcomes (Palm 90). Seems to me it all just boils down to flying it. I have to wonder when people say "it flies so different". Well doesn't every airplane. I really liked the DC-3 and the 727, but they both fly completely different. I go to school on the bus next month and this thread has confirmed what I thought. Most of the people who have anything negative to say about the AirBus never flew one and most of the people that fly it love it. Thanks for everyone's input.

 

[Dan Roman]

I'm not in the least qualified to tell airline pilots about their airplanes, but this remark hit home with me.

Many years ago I was an F-4 EWO who got the chance to transition to the F/EF-111. I was at that time pretty full of myself because I had flown a lot of both Weasel and air-to-air missions.

To my surprise, I had a real hard time staying ahead of the Aardvark at first, because the F-4 and F-111 are so very different airplanes. The F-4 was like a John Deer, the F-111 was like the Star Ship Enterprise by comparison.

A couple of instructors pulled me aside and said I had to forget about the F-4 if I was going to suceed in the 'Vark.

They were right, and once I took their advice to heart I did much better, and my F-111 B course check ride was possiblty the only perfect flight I've ever flown in my life.

I learned latter that the Zen Masters figured this thought pattern out a long time ago, it's called 'The Beginner's Mind'.

Sure you are, good advice is good advice, you are just as qualified as anyone else to pass on a good tip. Very good point and universal to all of aviation.

 

[Quimby]

Comfort at the office is really what it comes down to. And who can fault us for that? :blush:

Paycheck & schedule trump comfort at the office for me.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Dude, it's just a machine. Turn off the autothrust and autopilot and fly it like any other airplane. You'll be surprised how much it flies just like it should.
Let the Boeing go.... Understand the flight control laws and remember to activate and confirm.
You're gonna like this airplane, I guarantee it. The guy who crashed into the trees screwed up. This airplane will give you anything you want, but you better learn to fly it and not just bring your Boeing methods and try to lay it over this airplane; it demands to be flown a certain way and if you don't learn the method, it will bite you just like any other airplane will.

 

[Booster]

A Boeing doesn't bark at the passengers on one engine. :laugh:

Just turn OFF the Yellow Electric Pump, bark goes away.