Air Tran Help Please

[Tripower455]

Then why haven't you stated such on the SWAPA forum or the Pprune?

I made one post on the subject and that was prior to them saying that they were gonna reinstate the non SLI stuff. They said that they were reinstating it, so what's the point?

I guess bashing SWAPA at every opportunity is much more fun?

I wouldn't know.....

 

[carl p]

Half ur pilots ? So how about the other half . As for pay I have not looked at it since Southwest bought AirTran. It must have changed .

Most of the other half were ex mil, MidEx/TWA, and guys who came up flying night freight like me. Point is all of us left regionals or jobs better than regionals to come to AT. In the last contract the FO rates were not so hot, but the upgrade time was 3 years and Capt's still topped out at $150+/hr...hardly regional rates.

If the point you were trying to make was that SWA was a better job and company to work for I agree. We had a pretty good little airline here, some warts and all. With better management it could've been a great job. Either way, we are part of SWA now and I am embracing that moving forward.

 

[redflyer65]

If the point you were trying to make was that SWA was a better job and company to work for I agree. We had a pretty good little airline here, some warts and all. With better management it could've been a great job. Either way, we are part of SWA now and I am embracing that moving forward.

+1 Carl. Welcome aboard over here when you transition. I'm ready to start pulling on the rope together, with everyone of you. Let's move forward.

 

[outerlimits]

Most of the other half were ex mil, MidEx/TWA, and guys who came up flying night freight like me. Point is all of us left regionals or jobs better than regionals to come to AT. In the last contract the FO rates were not so hot, but the upgrade time was 3 years and Capt's still topped out at $150+/hr...hardly regional rates.

If the point you were trying to make was that SWA was a better job and company to work for I agree. We had a pretty good little airline here, some warts and all. With better management it could've been a great job. Either way, we are part of SWA now and I am embracing that moving forward.

Carl I did not mean I offend u in any way, sorry . It is the pay for training know it all PCL ,mr ALPA that is wrong every time he types. I can just imagine the damage he will bring over to SWA.

 

[texman]

Most of the other half were ex mil, MidEx/TWA, and guys who came up flying night freight like me. Point is all of us left regionals or jobs better than regionals to come to AT. In the last contract the FO rates were not so hot, but the upgrade time was 3 years and Capt's still topped out at $150+/hr...hardly regional rates.

If the point you were trying to make was that SWA was a better job and company to work for I agree. We had a pretty good little airline here, some warts and all. With better management it could've been a great job. Either way, we are part of SWA now and I am embracing that moving forward.

From what I know now about AT now, I agree 150% about your statements. I do see where you guys are coming from.

I couldn't imagine what the TWA/MidEx guy and gals have been through. especially the families.

 

[DonVerita]

I'm ready to start pulling on the rope together, with everyone of you. Let's move forward.

Red...I am too. A meaningful, and very important, first step towards that goal would be to end the pay rate inequality...the B-scale wages. I sincerely hope that SWAPA sees the benefit of that, in more ways than one, and gets it done in Contract 2012.

 

[carl p]

+1 Carl. Welcome aboard over here when you transition. I'm ready to start pulling on the rope together, with everyone of you. Let's move forward.

Thanks Red, I appreciate that! Looking forward to everyone wearing the same uniform and working towards the best future possible for SWA!

 

[carl p]

outerlimits,

Thanks, no harm done bro.


Texman,

I look forward to buying you a cold one or three !

 

[redflyer65]

Red...I am too. A meaningful, and very important, first step towards that goal would be to end the pay rate inequality...the B-scale wages. I sincerely hope that SWAPA sees the benefit of that, in more ways than one, and gets it done in Contract 2012.

Agreed. Absolutely you guys should be paid the same.

RF

 

[outerlimits]

Agreed. Absolutely you guys should be paid the same.

RF

I have a question for the Southwest guys.

Why can't the AirTran pilots become SWAPA now. I would think it would be beneficial to all for SWAPA to represent all ASAP.

I would think most AT pilots ( not all) would rather get away from ALPA.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

They said that they were reinstating it, so what's the point?

They did reinstate it.

 

[redflyer65]

I have a question for the Southwest guys.

Why can't the AirTran pilots become SWAPA now. I would think it would be beneficial to all for SWAPA to represent all ASAP.

I would think most AT pilots ( not all) would rather get away from ALPA.

It would be nice if it were like a light switch, but there are too many moving parts I believe. The planes have to be transitioned over (that takes alot of time), and the pilots come over in a similiar ratio to the planes. Others might have more info but that's how it was explained to me.

 

[outerlimits]

It would be nice if it were like a light switch, but there are too many moving parts I believe. The planes have to be transitioned over (that takes alot of time), and the pilots come over in a similiar ratio to the planes. Others might have more info but that's how it was explained to me.

I was told by a SWA pilot that when SWA bought that Airline based in SLC, the pilots where SWAPA from day one , even before they started training .

Maybe this is not true .

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

I have a question for the Southwest guys.

Why can't the AirTran pilots become SWAPA now. I would think it would be beneficial to all for SWAPA to represent all ASAP.

I would think most AT pilots ( not all) would rather get away from ALPA.

I've heard that they didn't want to represent a contract they know nothing about, Contracts are often interpreted by "Negotiating Notes" which SWAPA had no part of the negotiations, Better to let ALPA's professionals handle this as long as they can!

I'm just ready for it all to be done and MOVE ON!!! I've been pissed on commuting on AT already, but for the most part they have treated me well! I don't use them that often because the one flight a day doesn't match up that well with my commute! Everyone needs to leave their emotions at home IT"S OVER, and if you don't like it, DELTA's hiring soon, go be an A$$ over there!!!

Later,
KBB

 

[27 driver]

Red...I am too. A meaningful, and very important, first step towards that goal would be to end the pay rate inequality...the B-scale wages. I sincerely hope that SWAPA sees the benefit of that, in more ways than one, and gets it done in Contract 2012.

Don, the B-scale has absolutely nothing to do with their contract. Swapa does not negotiate for the AAI guys until we cross the petition. I would not count on anything other than the pay rate you are on until you hop the fence.

 

[Tripower455]

They did reinstate it.

Good!

 

[Tripower455]

Well, they reinstated some of it. There are still months worth of posts missing. Not sure if they're still working on it or not.

 

[DonVerita]

Don, the B-scale has absolutely nothing to do with their contract. Swapa does not negotiate for the AAI guys until we cross the petition. I would not count on anything other than the pay rate you are on until you hop the fence.

I would think that SWAPA could negotiate something to the effect of -"All pilots on the AirTran side of the partition that are awaiting transition will be paid the same as a SWA pilot, whether that be the 717 or 737".

There is no reason why I as a 737-700 pilot in ATN colors should not be getting paid the same as a 737-700 pilot in SWA colors doing the same job for the same company.

There is more than one reason why this would be beneficial to SWAPA.

 

[TahoeBoarder]

Spend negotiating capital for a short term raise for those not currently paying dues. Great idea!

 

[humveedriver]

Spend negotiating capital for a short term raise for those not currently paying dues. Great idea!

I agree. If SWA wants to increase the pay on our side that's one thing. No need to sacrifice the big stuff for the transition. I expect to come to SWA as an FO with your scope,work rules and pay rates intact.