Air Tran Help Please

[Lear70]

One of the things leaving all that up would do is keep the argument alive for years. Every time a new class gained access it would remind them of all they lost.

You may not agree with our view of our losses, but you can't change our minds. Your perspective MIGHT temper our views, but you won't change them. That's just the way human nature works. Even this is getting acrimonious again. Our view isn't changing. Neither is yours. Just the way it is.

As such, its probably better to let the wounds heal without every new class dredging it all back up.

Just my .02 cents.

 

[Tripower455]

One of the things leaving all that up would do is keep the argument alive for years. Every time a new class gained access it would remind them of all they lost.

You may not agree with our view of our losses, but you can't change our minds. Your perspective MIGHT temper our views, but you won't change them. That's just the way human nature works. Even this is getting acrimonious again. Our view isn't changing. Neither is yours. Just the way it is.

As such, its probably better to let the wounds heal without every new class dredging it all back up.

Just my .02 cents.

Maybe you're right. Tempering your view is exactly what I was driving at. I guess I was giving you guys too much credit.

You'd think after nearly 27 years in the business I'd know better.

Mea Culpa.

Sorry for your "loss"..... I know that being bought by WN was something that you would never have wished for. I can't imagine what you're going through!

 

[humveedriver]

Anyway...

Bigger fish to fry now. The money for uniforms was a nice gesture. They could have sought relief from that like they did with our 18 month integration clause. I really thought that was industry standard, but if it is not, then good for us. It's a good point about "who's" contract we are working for and going to be working for. For now there is a master ISL with two contracts. Looking forward to when it is one. Rather than seeing parking and uniform costs addressed in section 6, I would like to see the 737 type requirement go away. That would be a little meaningful to the pocket book. At this point it's more or less a hazing ritual for employment.

 

[Tripower455]

Anyway...

Bigger fish to fry now. The money for uniforms was a nice gesture. They could have sought relief from that like they did with our 18 month integration clause. I really thought that was industry standard, but if it is not, then good for us. It's a good point about "who's" contract we are working for and going to be working for. For now there is a master ISL with two contracts. Looking forward to when it is one. Rather than seeing parking and uniform costs addressed in section 6, I would like to see the 737 type requirement go away. That would be a little meaningful to the pocket book. At this point it's more or less a hazing ritual for employment.

I totally agree about the type requirement, and always have. It serves no purpose, and we've lost out on hiring a lot of great pilots over the years due to it.

 

[madjack]

HVD gets it, let's move on, remember whose idea this was (initials GK)...

I understand the angst about seniority loss, but your MEC should have taken the first deal...it would have passed both sides....

 

[DonVerita]

Madjack...this is what I'm talking about. We don't think that you guys fully understand the immense harm that was done to our side.

The "first deal" still had us losing the same amount of global seniority as the second deal. It was this slap in the face that the MEC found to be unacceptable. That's why they voted it down. If it had been straight DOH, the MEC would have accepted it because that would have been "fair & equitable"; which is what both sides agreed to. Anything less than that shows the arrogance of one side who thinks that they are better than the other rather than saying we are all equals under the same SWA banner.

We have heard a lot of talk about the Golden Rule and One LUV. The actions of this SLI tell a polar opposite story.

 

[Just thinking]

SWA will still get the majority of Captain seats and laugh all the way to the bank.... FAT pilots will have a small amount of the 737 International Captain seats that make it to 2015 as long as the IT department can't figure out how to program the international side of things as well as the code share.... along with dispatching past "HERB" time etc. etc.....

SWA will divest itself of the 717's to Delta on a schedule that will coincide with the FAT pilots transitioning over at a rate that will provide the RSW pilots the upgrade opportunity. ALL TRANSITIONING FAT PILOTS WILL BE FO'S.

Low and behold when 2015 rolls around there won't be any more upgrades for the next couple of years regardless of where your global seniority is for the FAT pilots..... GK has carefully crafted this with SWAPA and has shown them how "no harm" will come to RSW pilots.
FAT pilots will have lost 30% seniority, 75% of the Captain seats and if/when the junior RSW pilots get the recall rights for the bases they were displaced from, the FAT pilots are ensured of cross country commutes to Oakland and Vegas.....

Feeling the LUV???????

 

[TahoeBoarder]

Wow--where to begin?
I'll try to keep this factual since your emotions are still running a little high.
I don't see how you think you will be "ensured of cross country commutes to OAK & LAS". Your bottom guy pre-acquisition now has 385 FOs below him--the vast majority from SWA hiring since. That's a lot more FO's than either of those bases currently have.
What scenario would force a cross country commute to the AirTran side? Any displacements will happen to the junior SWA side.

 

[madjack]

Feeling the LUV???????

...under SL9 the AAI CPs would have been seat protected for 10 years, ALL AAI pilots would have received SWA pay immediately... the company did offer a better deal in the first round and your MEC elected to say no thanks...wouldn't even let you vote on it...the rest is history...
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[humveedriver]

Wow--where to begin?
I'll try to keep this factual since your emotions are still running a little high.
I don't see how you think you will be "ensured of cross country commutes to OAK & LAS". Your bottom guy pre-acquisition now has 385 FOs below him--the vast majority from SWA hiring since. That's a lot more FO's than either of those bases currently have.
What scenario would force a cross country commute to the AirTran side? Any displacements will happen to the junior SWA side.

We also have folks who will want to bid those bases and DEN/PHX due to their geographic locations/current commuters. The biggest issue right now is a lack of clear direction from SWA regarding the transition. They simply don't have the answers yet. This is of particular concern for those folks who live in ATL.