Air Tran Help Please

[waveflyer]

Red...I am too. A meaningful, and very important, first step towards that goal would be to end the pay rate inequality...the B-scale wages. I sincerely hope that SWAPA sees the benefit of that, in more ways than one, and gets it done in Contract 2012.

I have to agree with the others- I don't like you on that pay rate, but you know when you will be- in the meantime, I don't appreciate you calling your negotiated pay rate a b-scale. You aren't represented by Swapa yet, not on SWA schedules and Swa doesn't have all the integrated economies of scale that justify it- It's the rate you guys negotiated with your union taking into account the type, size and profitability of your operation- you'll be on our pay scale soon enough, in a set agreed time, as you transition and the company starts realizing the efficiencies.
Greed does not rule the roost around here.

 

[27 driver]

I have to agree with the others- I don't like you on that pay rate, but you know when you will be- in the meantime, I don't appreciate you calling your negotiated pay rate a b-scale. You aren't represented by Swapa yet, not on SWA schedules and Swa doesn't have all the integrated economies of scale that justify it- It's the rate you guys negotiated with your union taking into account the type, size and profitability of your operation- you'll be on our pay scale soon enough, in a set agreed time, as you transition and the company starts realizing the efficiencies.
Greed does not rule the roost around here.

SWAPA was more than happy to sign the agreement keeping us on our pay scale. Now the camel's nose is in the tent. If you think GK is in any hurry to get your IT problems worked out you need to submit to a drug test. This is managements wet dream.
With all due respect......Greed rules everything there.

 

[PCL_128]

I would think that SWAPA could negotiate something to the effect of -"All pilots on the AirTran side of the partition that are awaiting transition will be paid the same as a SWA pilot, whether that be the 717 or 737".

SWAPA doesn't represent anyone on the AirTran side of the partition, so they can't negotiate anything for us.

 

[PCL_128]

in the meantime, I don't appreciate you calling your negotiated pay rate a b-scale.

And I don't appreciate being on a b-scale, but that's reality. We have two sets of pilots working for the same carrier (remember, SOC is already done) making different pay rates at the same longevity on the same aircraft. That's a b-scale.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

And I don't appreciate being on a b-scale, but that's reality. We have two sets of pilots working for the same carrier (remember, SOC is already done) making different pay rates at the same longevity on the same aircraft. That's a b-scale.

SWA doesn't fly B-717's.

Furthermore, you were given the opportunity to fly for A-scale rates but you turned that down. Don't come bitching to us about your bad decisions.

 

[j41driver]

...but AirTran does fly 737-700s.

 

[redflyer65]

It's over gentlemen. We've got what we got.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

...but AirTran does fly 737-700s.

True. And you will get those rates when you come to over to SWA.

AGAIN, you were given the opportunity to get OUR rates to fly the B-737 AND B-717. You were told that should you say no, that those rates would be taken off the table. Your MEC said no and gave the middle finger to SWA and SWAPA. So, SWA kept their promise.

Many of us here tried to warn you but you just wouldn't listen. You defiantly said to VOTE NO! Your MEC made your bed.

Now it is time to lay in it.

 

[j41driver]

It's over gentlemen. We've got what we got.

Very true. Honestly, I shoulda just stayed out of this discussion. Headed to Dallas next month and couldn't be happier.

 

[j41driver]

And just to be clear....I did not tell anyone how to vote on anything.

 

[PCL_128]

Many of us here tried to warn you but you just wouldn't listen. You defiantly said to VOTE NO! Your MEC made your bed.

No it is time to lay in it.

What's amazing is that you don't see the negative ramifications to you of having a b-scale on property while you're simultaneously in Section 6 negotiations.

 

[humveedriver]

What's amazing is that you don't see the negative ramifications to you of having a b-scale on property while you're simultaneously in Section 6 negotiations.

Maybe he doesn't see the problem there. But I bet SWAPA does. Our pay rates are a distraction. We voted on them not once, but twice in about a one year period. So it's pretty disengenious to tell the SWA pilots to fix this mess for us, when they literally had nothing to do with it. The only beef I have with SWAPA is the lack of communication and updating with their pilot group during the SLI and now during the transition. There should be some kind of tracking mechanism and progress accountability leading to 1 Jan 2015. Because right now SWA is only advertising their seperate operations plans.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Very true. Honestly, I shoulda just stayed out of this discussion. Headed to Dallas next month and couldn't be happier.

I am very happy for you. I truly am.

We fought for our side and you fought for yours. I honestly hope that we all come together and are one big happy family. That being said I take serious issue with AirTran pilots coming on here and bitching about the fact that they make "B-scale" wages. That was your unions choice. You were told not to take that path and you (and your MEC) ignored that advice.

I also find it REALLY ironic that one of your Union Executives who is on the record stating his disdain for the previous agreement. As well as recommending a no vote. Now he comes on here bitching about the fact he flies under a B-scale.

Again, don't come to me bitching about a b-scale. I had nothing to do with it.

With that said I am really happy you are coming over and hope you love this airline as much as I do.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

What's amazing is that you don't see the negative ramifications to you of having a b-scale on property while you're simultaneously in Section 6 negotiations.

You could have voted yes. You were told that if you turned down the first agreement that the money would be taken off the table.

You were warned.

Don't bitch at me, I didn't make that decision. YOU DID.

 

[PCL_128]

No, I didn't make a decision to accept a b-scale. I voted no. But you do have a valid argument for the 87% who voted yes.

 

[redflyer65]

Very true. Honestly, I shoulda just stayed out of this discussion. Headed to Dallas next month and couldn't be happier.

Welcome brother! Enjoy your 'down time' in the big D.

 

[Tripower455]

Very true. Honestly, I shoulda just stayed out of this discussion. Headed to Dallas next month and couldn't be happier.

Awesome! Welcome aboard! When are you gonna be there?

I've got training in May, and I'd love to buy you guys a shot or 2 of Wild Turkey........

 

[waveflyer]

PCL, we should not have this debate-
I regret it before I type
But I will call out anybody who calls it a b-scale
B-scale is when a group working for the same company, represented by the same union, performs the same job for lower rates.
Does this scenario meet any of those conditions? Does your pay stub say Southwest Airlines on it or Air Tran?
Is your union SWAPA or ALPA?
Your parent company is SWA, and all of us would like to snap our fingers and have the airlines be integrated- but it will take a bit of time-
You sound young when you say that. I have friends at American who would love to trade places with you. A plan is in place, and you guys are transitioning over at a set pace.
As for pay, until i see GK whipsaw us, I have zero problems with you guys sleeping in the bed you made.
Wonder if you PCL will ever take responsibility for your role in your "b-scale"?

But as everyone said- its over and done, and everybody has their 5%- but I'll always be amazed to hear air tran pilots bitch. It's a shame we have to take the ones who aren't happy

 

[easydoesit]

The only thing MOST of us AirTran pilots are bitching about, is the 7 people who voted not to send the SLI out to the pilot group for a vote. You are correct, now since a few people made a bad decision, yes people we put in office, we have to lay in our own bed.

It's over, now get over it and move on. Life is way too darn short. Go kiss your wife, or your dog, or just go play with yourself if you have neither.

 

[Britpilot]

you'll be on our pay scale soon enough, in a set agreed time, as you transition and the company starts realizing the efficiencies.
Greed does not rule the roost around here.

Oh yeah...when? There is no "set and agreed time" It's not greed, as you put it, it just bites, that's all.