Air Tran Help Please

[carl p]

You worked for a regional airline , just like me.

Really? What were you smoking when you wrote that? Our 2nd year FO's make Reg Capt pay. Compare the work rules and pay rates from either of our last 2 contracts. Half the pilots we have on our list left regional Capt jobs (not me) to become AT FO's...wonder why that is? If you say we were not SWA, or that our management sucked and was not labor friendly then I'd agree with both. I hope a random drug test is in your future...just sayin.

 

[madjack]

Imagine what would happen if SWAPA pilots were told they'd be making guarantee for the next 3 years ?

Can you say furloughs...that is what I would expect from SWA if the mainline was getting paid guarantee for any length of time......I have only been paid guarantee once (in FEB09 or 10)...

 

[humveedriver]

I would rather not see SWAPA spend negotiating capital on making the 737 type go away as that would have no benefit to any pilot already at SWA or AirTran.

Sometimes it feels good to give. I look forward to the day when the type requirement goes away. If I can expedite it's departure I would. Call it my charitable contribution to future SWA pilots ;-)

I think by default it should go away. Should new hires get a 717 type in 2015? Welcome multi aircraft fleet.

 

[outerlimits]

Really? What were you smoking when you wrote that? Our 2nd year FO's make Reg Capt pay. Compare the work rules and pay rates from either of our last 2 contracts. Half the pilots we have on our list left regional Capt jobs (not me) to become AT FO's...wonder why that is? If you say we were not SWA, or that our management sucked and was not labor friendly then I'd agree with both. I hope a random drug test is in your future...just sayin.

Half ur pilots ? So how about the other half . As for pay I have not looked at it since Southwest bought AirTran. It must have changed .

 

[PCL_128]

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[Tripower455]

Then why haven't you stated such on the SWAPA forum or the Pprune?

I made one post on the subject and that was prior to them saying that they were gonna reinstate the non SLI stuff. They said that they were reinstating it, so what's the point?

I guess bashing SWAPA at every opportunity is much more fun?

I wouldn't know.....

 

[carl p]

Half ur pilots ? So how about the other half . As for pay I have not looked at it since Southwest bought AirTran. It must have changed .

Most of the other half were ex mil, MidEx/TWA, and guys who came up flying night freight like me. Point is all of us left regionals or jobs better than regionals to come to AT. In the last contract the FO rates were not so hot, but the upgrade time was 3 years and Capt's still topped out at $150+/hr...hardly regional rates.

If the point you were trying to make was that SWA was a better job and company to work for I agree. We had a pretty good little airline here, some warts and all. With better management it could've been a great job. Either way, we are part of SWA now and I am embracing that moving forward.

 

[redflyer65]

If the point you were trying to make was that SWA was a better job and company to work for I agree. We had a pretty good little airline here, some warts and all. With better management it could've been a great job. Either way, we are part of SWA now and I am embracing that moving forward.

+1 Carl. Welcome aboard over here when you transition. I'm ready to start pulling on the rope together, with everyone of you. Let's move forward.

 

[outerlimits]

Most of the other half were ex mil, MidEx/TWA, and guys who came up flying night freight like me. Point is all of us left regionals or jobs better than regionals to come to AT. In the last contract the FO rates were not so hot, but the upgrade time was 3 years and Capt's still topped out at $150+/hr...hardly regional rates.

If the point you were trying to make was that SWA was a better job and company to work for I agree. We had a pretty good little airline here, some warts and all. With better management it could've been a great job. Either way, we are part of SWA now and I am embracing that moving forward.

Carl I did not mean I offend u in any way, sorry . It is the pay for training know it all PCL ,mr ALPA that is wrong every time he types. I can just imagine the damage he will bring over to SWA.

 

[texman]

Most of the other half were ex mil, MidEx/TWA, and guys who came up flying night freight like me. Point is all of us left regionals or jobs better than regionals to come to AT. In the last contract the FO rates were not so hot, but the upgrade time was 3 years and Capt's still topped out at $150+/hr...hardly regional rates.

If the point you were trying to make was that SWA was a better job and company to work for I agree. We had a pretty good little airline here, some warts and all. With better management it could've been a great job. Either way, we are part of SWA now and I am embracing that moving forward.

From what I know now about AT now, I agree 150% about your statements. I do see where you guys are coming from.

I couldn't imagine what the TWA/MidEx guy and gals have been through. especially the families.

 

[DonVerita]

I'm ready to start pulling on the rope together, with everyone of you. Let's move forward.

Red...I am too. A meaningful, and very important, first step towards that goal would be to end the pay rate inequality...the B-scale wages. I sincerely hope that SWAPA sees the benefit of that, in more ways than one, and gets it done in Contract 2012.

 

[carl p]

+1 Carl. Welcome aboard over here when you transition. I'm ready to start pulling on the rope together, with everyone of you. Let's move forward.

Thanks Red, I appreciate that! Looking forward to everyone wearing the same uniform and working towards the best future possible for SWA!

 

[carl p]

outerlimits,

Thanks, no harm done bro.


Texman,

I look forward to buying you a cold one or three !

 

[redflyer65]

Red...I am too. A meaningful, and very important, first step towards that goal would be to end the pay rate inequality...the B-scale wages. I sincerely hope that SWAPA sees the benefit of that, in more ways than one, and gets it done in Contract 2012.

Agreed. Absolutely you guys should be paid the same.

RF

 

[outerlimits]

Agreed. Absolutely you guys should be paid the same.

RF

I have a question for the Southwest guys.

Why can't the AirTran pilots become SWAPA now. I would think it would be beneficial to all for SWAPA to represent all ASAP.

I would think most AT pilots ( not all) would rather get away from ALPA.