Air Tran Help Please

[redflyer65]

If it had been straight DOH, the MEC would have accepted it because that would have been "fair & equitable";

So Don, your saying the job at Airtran was equal to the job at Southwest when the acquisition was announced so therefore DOH should have been a slam dunk?

 

[Whine Lover]

"32-35% Global Seniority loss
Loss of all 737 Capt. seats (and possibly all 717 Capt. seats if a/c sold)
Unable to re-upgrade for 7-10 years
B-scale pay rates till 2015
Retirement of 11.5% cut to 9.3%"

All thanks to the AirTran MEC.

MadJack is correct...Place the blame where it truly lies.


This will be another case of " UsAmerarrhea " ( Prescription: Take 20 Immodium and call us in 20 years. We still wont care. ) for decades to come.

You will ALL, collectively, CONTINUE to defecate upon each other in perpetuity.

A GREAT airline and a KrAp airline ....Now, all molded into one Lump Of Sheisse.

Yay. (?) ANOTHER WIN for the Office J-Off's that hoped you would put yourselves here. PERFECT.

Good luck to all....who so excellently, and efficiently, effed' this up.....Almost, as IF....BY Design.

( Insert Mad Laughter Here )

Love,

Me

 

[Whine Lover]

" UsAmerarrhea "

Actually, I may have gotten that wrong....(?)

Perhaps it should be:


"AmeriUsrrhea"....after all, THEY ( America West ) were the acquiring Company.

Right?

Discuss. ( Ad infinitum. )


Muwhahahaha...Muwhahahaha...Muwhahahaha


Love,

El Pene' de Microsco'pico

 

[texman]

We also have folks who will want to bid those bases and DEN/PHX due to their geographic locations/current commuters. The biggest issue right now is a lack of clear direction from SWA regarding the transition. They simply don't have the answers yet. This is of particular concern for those folks who live in ATL.

You have a valid point. We will see. I think there will be a SWA ATL base. They are just going to draw down the AT base, then with in a year or two after 2015 it open again.

 

[texman]

Madjack...this is what I'm talking about. We don't think that you guys fully understand the immense harm that was done to our side.

The "first deal" still had us losing the same amount of global seniority as the second deal. It was this slap in the face that the MEC found to be unacceptable. That's why they voted it down. If it had been straight DOH, the MEC would have accepted it because that would have been "fair & equitable"; which is what both sides agreed to. Anything less than that shows the arrogance of one side who thinks that they are better than the other rather than saying we are all equals under the same SWA banner.

We have heard a lot of talk about the Golden Rule and One LUV. The actions of this SLI tell a polar opposite story.

Yes but keep captain seats for ten years. Then put in the retirements, no AT captain would of lost there seat. Blame your MEC. They just got out negotiated. Just saying.

But the good thing is we are taking care of the AT people now in training. This company is so different than yours. Give it a chance.

 

[PCL_128]

So Don, your saying the job at Airtran was equal to the job at Southwest when the acquisition was announced so therefore DOH should have been a slam dunk?

He didn't say relative, he said DOH. Under a DOH integration, your pilots would have received a bump in relative seniority, and our pilots would have lost relative seniority. How are you calling that "equal?"

 

[outerlimits]

He didn't say relative, he said DOH. Under a DOH integration, your pilots would have received a bump in relative seniority, and our pilots would have lost relative seniority. How are you calling that "equal?"

Wow, so you feel getting DOH, you where getting less than you deserve ?


You worked for a regional airline , just like me.

 

[redflyer65]

He didn't say relative, he said DOH. Under a DOH integration, your pilots would have received a bump in relative seniority, and our pilots would have lost relative seniority. How are you calling that "equal?"

Let's just say our views differ and move forward, just exactly as you stated here before. I let myself get sucked back in by some of the comments on here. It's done, over and behind us. As Lear stated too, one person's view of fair is going to be different from someone else's and there really won't be any changing of minds at this point.

Carry on..

 

[madjack]

"one person's view of fair is going to be different from someone else's and there really won't be any changing of minds at this point."

Truer words have never been spoken...

I would feel the same way (as many AAI piots feel) if my company was bought by a bigger company: I would have wanted rel sen/DOH, it would be stupid not to want that, I would feel cheated if I did not get recognition for the career I had built at AAI...AAI pilots did not ask for this merger (and neither did SWA pilots), but life is not fair....SWA had the advantage and used it, what do you expect?...I was lucky to be on the SWA side... I understand the angst felt by the AAI pilots who "lost" seniority...but AAI seniority was going away as soon as the acquisition was announced...the future is in the SL10 MSL...nothing I can do about it...OBTW I would have voted yes for SL9 (after vomiting)...

 

[JT12345]

"one person's view of fair is going to be different from someone else's and there really won't be any changing of minds at this point."

Truer words have never been spoken...

I would feel the same way (as many AAI piots feel) if my company was bought by a bigger company: I would have wanted rel sen/DOH, it would be stupid not to want that, I would feel cheated if I did not get recognition for the career I had built at AAI...AAI pilots did not ask for this merger (and neither did SWA pilots), but life is not fair....SWA had the advantage and used it, what do you expect?...I was lucky to be on the SWA side... I understand the angst felt by the AAI pilots who "lost" seniority...but AAI seniority was going away as soon as the acquisition was announced...the future is in the SL10 MSL...nothing I can do about it...OBTW I would have voted yes for SL9 (after vomiting)...

+1

especially for the vomit.

Hey I just started to walk straight, so the doctor took my stitches out!