Air midwest crashes into hangar @ CLT??

[AAflyer]

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I turned on the TV this morning and listened to Paula and Bill on CNN, they tried really hard for about an hour not to speculate and just give the facts (I was kinda impressed), then Miles comes on talking about doors and runways and Gross weights, blah, blah,blah.

Oh MAN!! know he is saying they may have had the urge to pull up, I think I am going to puke..


AAflyer

 

[sanford&son]

miles

i thought miles said that he prefered rear (cabin) entry. he needs to just stick to his old V-bone and not worry about any back door action around airplanes.

 

[StaySeated]

Mile Obrien

Jesus, this guy is one serious idiot.

Prayers for the families of those lost.

 

[ilinipilot]

Hello:

And we all know what will happen with this story: front page in most newspapers, the lead story on all the national news agencies (probably blaming pilots, their lack of experience, and the small plane)but when the whole industry did not have a fatality, that was buried on page 12 with little more than a blurb, next to the story of a cat getting saved by a fireman from a tree.

Sickens me and all the wonderful professionals out there who make this industry the SAFEST in the world.

My thoughts go out to all involved!!!

D

 

[turning2]

Friggin Media.... O'Brien, what a buffoon.

Does anyone know the names of the crew? Have a friend of mine in the right seat at Midwest; he called on Monday from DFW after a trip. Was going to commute yesterday to the east coast to pick up another. He doesn't have a cell phone and I have no way of getting a hold of him short of email.... would appreciate any insight... just to put my mind at rest.

My condolences to those lost.

 

[AWACoff]

Actually,
If Air Midwest is anything like Lakes, they were operating that 1900 under parts of 135. Duty times, flight times, etc. 121 airlines can do that with aircraft under 31 seats. The lack of accurate reporting overall though is appalling. It would be hilarious under different circumstances. Why can't the media find an "expert" that knows what they are talking about? One of the guys on the FNC said there are "weights under the wheels" and that is how they know whether the aircrafts' "check and balance" is good. Even a private pilot knows what WEIGHT AND BALANCE is.

 

[Beantown]

AWACoff wrote "Why can't the media find an "expert" that knows what they are talking about? "
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AWACoff, They can. The problem is that most "experts" won't speculate and therefor are boring. T.V stations don't like boring, so they get Miles O'Brian to spew crap. Make's me sick. -Bean

 

[AAflyer]

If I could entertain you guys to visit CNN's website and send an email about what a jacka$$ miles is maybe they would evetually listen. I did.

There, I did my aviation good deed for the day.

AAflyer

 

[EagleRJ]

Don Henley said it best:

'We got the bubble headed bleached blond,
comes on at five,
she can tell you 'bout the plane crash,
with a gleam in her eye.
It's interesting when people die,
give us dirty laundry..."


Standard media behavior. Pathetic.

 

[MadDogPilot]

John Wylie, "Aviation Expert" began his interview with "well, I don't have a lot of experience with turbo props." Then maybe don't talk to the media??

He said the first thing the pilots needed to do if they lost an engine on take off is to "shut that engine down." (How about fly, fly, fly V2, 400 ft AGL, V2+5, flaps up, accelerate best single engine climb speed, 1000AGL, ok, now get the checklist out, blah, blah, blah.) And he wasn't sure if there is a auto-feather system installed. "I guess" "maybe" is all he is saying.

All they have to do is ask a commuter captain.


God bless all those people. They are in my thoughts and prayers.

 

[Typhoon1244]

I will say this in defense of the media: they are asking the same questions that their clients, John Q. Public, who doesn't know squat about aviation, are probably asking.

But jeez, what questions!

"Is there any similarity between this crash and the American Airlines Airbus in New York right after September Eleventh? Was this a full throttle impact? Was the crew in communication with the F.A.A. control tower at all?"

I remember an NTSB administrator/investigator--I don't remember his name--who used to berate reporters for asking stupid questions. He even threatened to discontinue press briefings once. I wish we had more people like him.

[sigh]

Ladies and gentlemen, we lost two of our number today.

I wish them good luck. May the remainder of their journey by happy, and may they find wisdom those of us left behind can only dream of.

 

[Typhoon1244]

If I could entertain you guys to visit CNN's website and send an email about what a jacka$$ miles is maybe they would evetually listen. I did.

They don't care. They're going to tell you the same thing Rush Limbaugh used to tell people: "thanks for watching!"

 

[dsee8driver]

My heart and prayers...

My heart and prayers are with those on board this USAir commuter flight, and their family and friends.

 

[checkessential]

Absolutely tragic. Fox now reports loud crashing sounds coming from the plane before it crashed. It rolled left into that hangar. Possibly a door problem, me thinks...

 

[greg20]

We don't get ratings

AWACoff said:

Why can't the media find an "expert" that knows what they are talking about?

The simple reason is because those of us that know what's going on and understand how an NTSB investigation is carried out are experienced and smart enough not to speculate. Speculation sells, unfortunately the limited amount of facts available at this point are not captivating enough for the networks to increase their ratings. They want all the answers "yesterday". So they just go out and find someone that will make wild, incorrect speculation and will tell them what they want to hear.

For the ultimate in un-informed, misguided, and self-proclaimed "aviation experts", take a look at Mary Schiavo aka Scary Mary. The networks bring her in all the time when something like this happens and she is nothing but a stupid alarmist trying to make herself look good. She thinks that her "credentials" as former IG of the DOT make her all-knowing but she usually has no idea what she's talking about.

 

[jetdriven]

that aircraft wil fly just fine with the door open. It has happened before on a 1900C.

Also it will climb over 1000 FPM with the gear down and an engine windmilling.

 

[checkessential]

I stand corrected. I always believed that the airstair door would not withstand the air-loads.

 

[501261]

From the CNN website:

Mile Obrien is "An instrument-rated pilot with several hundred hours of flight time in a dozen types of aircraft, "

I'm surprised he even got that far!

 

[Olin]

any word on whether a 757 or a heavy took off before them?

 

[h25b]

I just sent an e-mail to CNN's Mr. O'Brien via [email protected].

According to landings.com's pilot certificate database, he holds a Private Pilot Certificate. Assuming that Miles Matthew O'Brien residing in Atlanta, GA is him.

I would encourange all to write him...

 

[flyndesk]

"Several hundred hours in a dozen aircraft"? He must be counting the blue cherokee as different than the green one.

 

[banned username 2]

Also it will climb over 1000 FPM with the gear down and an engine windmilling.

HHhmm...

Raytheon lists the One Engine Inoperative (OEI) rate of climb with flaps and gear retracted, and Autofeather as 670 fpm... I find it VERY hard to believe it will do better one engine inoperative with the gear hanging out and the dead engine windmilling...

 

[sleepy]

Miles OBrien is an A$$.

Anyone know what makes him an expert? Does he have a PPL or something?

AAflyer

He is a PP and part owner of a BE-33 here in ATL. He is in my aero club. I don't really know him. He is the CNN space shuttle correspondent. I guess that makes him an aviation expert.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Not speculating as to a cause, or even contributing factor, but if assigned to investigate this loss I would want to try to document as much as possible whether the load manifest and load manifest worksheet were accurate. Someone with more 1900 experience than I might have a better insight, but didn't they have aft CG control problems with this aircraft at other airlines? Particularly when the aircraft is loaded heavy with out a whole bunch of fuel.

Often the bags and pax are sorted from the rest of the wreckage. Autopsy reports will list the weights of the people. However, I do not know if there is a system in place to try to account for actual bag weight.

Like all of us, the crews train and the aircraft is certified to perform a V1 cut. Having actually shut an engines down during part 121 flights, I can attest everything went just as we were trained.

Fortunately I've never had a V1 cut in the real world. However, I have confidence (until proven otherwise) that the crew did a good job. A Beech 1900 with a full boat of passengers in the winter might have been heavier than the crew expected. It is worth checking out.

 

[dogman]

I was just wondering, the media almost always screws up the reporting with aviation related news. How acurate is the reporting with subjects that I know little about? I have grown very cynical watching or listening to any news.

 

[Ravengirl]

Just found out about this when I brought up Yahoo! news at work this morning.

*Thoughts and prayers*

Stephanie

 

[501261]

I was just wondering, the media almost always screws up the reporting with aviation related news. How acurate is the reporting with subjects that I know little about? I have grown very cynical watching or listening to any news.

Great point, its no longer "news", it’s who can get the most viewers watching current events.

Once Connie Chung interviewed that APA union guy (the 100 pilot organization, not the big 121 union), I swore I'd never watch again. And frankly I'm much happier now that I get the news on PBS, News Hour with Jim Lehrer, is the way to go!

 

[LearAv8r]

I just left this guy an email too......maybe next time he will get it right.


LearAv8r-

 

[carlos]

I was just wondering, the media almost always screws up the reporting with aviation related news. How acurate is the reporting with subjects that I know little about? I have grown very cynical watching or listening to any news.

Well, my wife is a doctor and it makes her cringe to read or hear medical news in the mass media. I'd say it's correspondingly bad in any technical specialty that is reported on by someone not educated in that field. Some of the inaccuracy is the result of the reporter trying to simplify the subject for a general audience, but a lot of it is just plain ignorance, unfortunately.

 

[501261]

Nice day, big runway, I wonder how long it's going to take old Miles to start speculating about a prop governor failure?

Nope, I bet he never gets around to it, too hard to explain what the governor does, he better stick to the "airplanes fall out of the sky" angle!