Air France A-340 down in YYZ

[Tripower455]

Yup, good job on the part of the crew in the evac........

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Some passengers say aircraft experienced an electrical interruption on short final. Possible lightining strike, but why would they choose to continue approach with a problem? Same reports say aircraft landed hard. Everybody out okay, and several injuries during evacuation. Thank goodness for that.

 

[Sycamore SAm]

Press release from the GTAA (YYZ Airport Authority)

Press Release - Update
Date of Release: Aug 02, 2005
At 16:03 est., Air France, flight # 358 (Airbus A340) enroute from Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris overran Runway 24L at Toronto Pearson International Airport by some 200 metres.

Information as of 18:00 hrs. est. was that there was no fatalities and all injured have been transported to local area hospitals.

Total number on board – 297 passengers, 12 crew.

A press conference was held at 18:00 hrs. est. Another press conference is scheduled for 19:00 hrs. est.

Toronto Pearson International Airport remains operational. Prior to the overrun, the airport was under a ground stop program due to extreme weather conditions which resulted in the postponement of departing aircraft.

At this time, the airport remains open.

The Transportation Safety Board has been alerted and is investigating.

The GTAA advises passengers to check with their airlines prior to coming to the airport.

The Airport Authority also advises travellers to check www.gtaa.com frequently for updates.

 

[FN FAL]

Watching it right now...


God help them all.

god's a little late, doncha think?

 

[DisrespectedJ32]

The most interesting was that KLM 691 was right behind AF 382. Just after ATC had AF 382 contact tower, the same controller told KLM that there was lighting ahead approximately 6 miles at their 12-2 o'clock. KLM 691 came off the Localizer to go around the cell. The 6 miles is roughly the normal distance behind a heavy. Could the strike the ATC controller saw be the strike that hit AF 382?

Questions:

1. If you are hit in an A340 does the aircraft automatically load-shed and what systems go down first?

2. How long does it take to get systems online?

 

[Metro752]

I was thinking that too, about the lightening he reported.

 

[FN FAL]

I shall hold off speaking my opinion untill a true expert has something true to tell.

Yea really. For all we know this, that and the other thing happened.

 

[cathaywannabe]

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What does [/font][font=Monospace,Courier]RA2SF2TCU5 mean?[/font]


Rain obscuring 2/8 of the the sky, stratus (fractus) obscuring 2/8 of the sky, towering cumulus obscuring 5/8 of the sky...I'm not sure if Canadians total sky cover with height.

 

[GravityHater]

Fox news: Passenger stated aircraft accelrated after touchdown

we have heard that in the past and it turned out to be tr's

 

[Godvek]

we have heard that in the past and it turned out to be tr's

if they had a loss of all generators from a strike, does the 340 have TR or anti-skid?

 

[hawkerjock]

Witnesses on the ground said they heard the sound of reversers. They also said the aircraft appeared to land at a normal distance down the runway. Take it for what it's worth.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Thrust reverse is probably hydraulically actuated, initiated through electrical switching. Ground spoilers operate the same. Braking would be available, although loss of anti-skid would increase stopping distance if the runway were slick. An airbus A320 went off the runway in Warsaw many years ago because the soft touchdown failed to initiate the air/ground logic preventing use of thrust reverse, spoilers, and braking. I doubt the same circumstances were present today, but the airbus, like all new aircraft are highly dependent on computers...

 

[Cpt. Underpants]

Runway Diagram

http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs40&d=05313&f=TorontoPearsonArptAerialmod.jpg

 

[Fury220]

An airbus A320 went off the runway in Warsaw many years ago because the soft touchdown failed to initiate the air/ground logic preventing use of thrust reverse, spoilers, and braking. I doubt the same circumstances were present today, but the airbus, like all new aircraft are highly dependent on computers...

So what you're saying is that the A320 in Warsaw departed the prepared surface due to the pilot's excellent touchdown? Does that sound fooked up to anyone else?

I have ZERO heavy time/experience, so disregard everything after "hello" if I'm talking with my nugget up my butt.

 

[Fury220]

CNN reporting that all crew and pax OK. If true than this is wonderful information and a big kudos to the crew for getting everybody off.

You'd think that "getting everybody off" would be the type of service you'd like to see on ALL international flights. 10+ hours in an aircraft can get you awfully lonely and in need of some "stimulation."

haha

 

[Flyin Tony]

SPECI CYYZ 022020Z 34024G33KT 3SM +TSRA FEW015 OVC040TCU 23/ RMK
SF2TCU6 CB ASOCTD

Would you guys have flown in this?

 

[Flying_Corporal]

Would you guys have flown in this?

There must've been a window. Spec Metar is updated once every 5-10-15 mins, however your radar scope paints a pretty accurate picture at the very moment your're approaching the rwy.

 

[Donsa320]

So what you're saying is that the A320 in Warsaw departed the prepared surface due to the pilot's excellent touchdown? Does that sound fooked up to anyone else?

I have ZERO heavy time/experience, so disregard everything after "hello" if I'm talking with my nugget up my butt.

Strut compression would get you into the ground mode for reverse. In the Warsaw 320 incident the crew used a very fast approach speed for some reason. I cannot recall why.

On the 340 I'm told that engines 2 and 3 have to get into reverse before 1 and 4 will deploy. I've only flown the 340 simulator a little, I was curious as to how it felt compared to the 320 which I was flying. It felt heavier, no surprise.

~DC

 

[ATRedneck]

So what you're saying is that the A320 in Warsaw departed the prepared surface due to the pilot's excellent touchdown? Does that sound fooked up to anyone else?

Don't know about the Airbus, but what was described is normal on the Emb-145. On a smooth touchdown you can't get the TRs to open, and sometimes it triggers an air/ground fail message on the EICAS. But hey, it's the best third-world airplane there is!

 

[A1FlyBoy]

Nice job to the crew!

Again, the media, when dealing with aviation related matters (including FOX) is a complete J O K E!