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With your limited brain, there probably ARE only 2 possibilites as you stated.

B3......BTDI noticed the problem in flight and took a picture of it to show maintenance, and to cover his ass if his company wanted him to keep flying it. :)

The only broken plane I would be scared to fly is the one you, as PIC, cracked up when you lost control of it in SLC and ended up off the side of the 10,000' runway. I bet the PAX really loved that flight! With guys like you flying.....we may have to rename the company "AvantScare."

:)
 
Predictable.

So you flew it...right?
 
Total post count on this thread up to this post:

BTSI: 18

GlassPilot: 4

I didn't post until his post number 10.



I don't fight with BTSI. When he posts outside the realm of reality I call him on it. That's all. No fighting.
 
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Sure is.

A. Liar.

B. Willing to risk everybody's life and violate major FAR's.

Either way, I hope he doesn't really flight instruct. We'll never really know since the truth is optional with him. The world would be far better off if he became a cabinet maker, as it is hard to do long-term harm in that occupation. Most carpenters that I know of are honest, and he probably couldn't stay employed as one for long. It's hard to hide being dishonest. I figure he might last about a year. That's how long it took us to get rid of such a lightweight. Let's just call him Been There Lied About It.
 
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Waco........your personal attacks are a reflection on your company, Avantair. I hope Curt doesn't call you in for a meeting and tell you to control yourself.
 
We took off and it was BARELY in the green. In cruise it dropped into the yellow, as the picture dictates. The company asked us to keep flying it even though the checklist says to retard the props to 1700 RPM (If I recall correctly). Obviouisly we aren't supposed to take off in that condition...right boys?

Waco...if you don't want the pay raise I offered you as a cabinet maker.....how about this one?

(Year 5) New York Garbage Man $67,141
(Year 5) Avantair FO $43,000

Yes.......Year 5 FO's will now be a reality at Avantair. Many are already in year 3....at $43,000
 
Yeah......the one on the left is oil pressure in the yellow. We were asked to fly a few more days like that before we could take it into maintenance. I have video too....LOL

We took off and it was BARELY in the green. In cruise it dropped into the yellow, as the picture dictates. The company asked us to keep flying it even though the checklist says to retard the props to 1700 RPM (If I recall correctly). Obviouisly we aren't supposed to take off in that condition...right boys?

He's got the proper response wrong, but he's been out of the plane for more than a year, so you have to cut him some slack on that one.

His statements though are very clear. "we were asked to fly for a few more days like that" implies that they did, in fact take off with this condition. And yet, he even says himself "Obviouisly(spelling!) we aren't supposed to take off in that condition... right boys?"

That's right. Who would trust a flight instructor with judgement as flawed as this?

Still, I believe he's telling a lie. The captain, obviously, would have had to agree to what is clearly a violation of the FAR's, as well as with putting everybody's lives in danger. Furthermore, the extremely expensive engine would probably be damaged. Avantair is careful with money. Why would they ask a crew to risk ruining a PT6, or risk the lives of our extremely valuable customers? Many of our customers are pilots. I bet almost all of them know a gauge in the yellow is not good, and we don't have a door. This is obvious to everybody, including management, who are mostly pilots themselves. I mean, come on.

I have carried maintenance here, but never anything dangerous. If it can't be deferred, we write it up. EXAMPLE: During first flight of the day items, I discovered a dead roll servo. The plane was written up, and we sat for two days in the middle of Missouri while they fixed it. On another occasion, we flew with a broken door cable for a day until we could get it into our base. A mechanic came and removed the cable. There are two door cables, and we put a utility box under the door at each stop. This was not ideal, but safe and legal in accordance with the MEL. In my almost two years here, this is how things are done. As a copilot, I would not tolerate any other method, and I have not been asked to.

If, however, he is telling the truth, then I am truly glad he is gone. I wouldn't want him flying our passengers around like that, and I would not care to get on an airplane that he has treated in this manner. He was senior to me, and if he had managed to pass an upgrade I might have been paired with him. I might have been forced to refuse to fly with him had he decided to fly an unsafe plane. Either way, we are better off without crew like him. I just can't understand why he was ever hired here in the first place. We all make mistakes.
 
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It's not worth argueing with been there lied about it. This is the guy who got busted posting to himself using another username and then deleting the post and tried to claim there was a technical issue with flightinfo. So we know him to be a liar. The guy is a disgruntled former employee who gets some weird satisfaction posting lie after lie about his former employer. I guess he is angry he isn't still here and wants to exact some sort of revenge. I say we stop engaging him just don't respond to his posts. Maybe he will find something else to do with his life.

By the way before he did exactly what we expected this thread was created to show some positive news about hiring but that was 5 pages ago
 
Waco...let me simplify it since my wording confused you. We took off with the oil pressure barely in the green....which is safe and legal. The few days prior I had noticed it in the lower green arc each day, and it was trending worse each day even though it was still legal. I checked the flight log to see how it had been trending with the crew prior to us. The trend was down. Maintenance said keep flying it.

On the day where I took the picture and video, we took off "barely" in the green. At a point during cruise the needle finally crept into the yellow. I don't have the EMERGENCY Checklist in front of me but I think it says to bring the props back to 1100 RPM (I typo-ed 1700 above). It does NOT say to land the aircraft immediately. Thus, we didn't. Maintenance was informed about the situation when we landed. As the oil gets hot, it gets thinner. You should know this by now. That would cause the oil pressure to slip into the yellow after operating a while. The company asked us to keep flying the plane. I never said we did or we didn't. You made that part up on your own. I "simply" said that we were asked to keep flying. You can fill in the story any way you want to.

On another flight into SUS we landed with a broken #1 Gyro. It was already dark and we were supposed to be getting fuel and continue on to TEB. The broken Gyro not only gave us irroneous "greasy side down" info, but it disabled the altitude hold function of the autopilot, which keeps us from flying into RVSM airspace. The company was informed, yet they asked us to continue the flight into TEB with the broken Captains Gyro, under RVSM airspace. The Captain mentioned it to me and I refused, just as he did. Bottom line....your company asked us to fly another illegal plane. The funny thing is, while we were going back and forth with the company about it, the passengers called FLOPS or FLEX (I forget which one) and had a jet come pick them up. Never have I said anyone flew illegal. You keep making that part up, just like you keep making up that you are making a profit. I have said that your company askes pilots on a regular basis to fly broken, illegal planes.

Trust me bro.......I am glad I am gone too! Peace.
 

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