Aeronautical Pet Peeves

[Pedro]

Yeah, what's up with that? Is there some reason or tradition behind that, cuz I hear plenty of Delta'S, United'S, Comair'S out there and I always found it a bit odd.

Not a pet peeve really, just curious.

I hear a lot of controllers using that terminology....

 

[Pedro]

Radio hogs doing touch and goes at uncontrolled airports.

"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X departing runway x.... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X upwind runway x...ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X left crosswind runway x....ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X left downwind runway x... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X left base runway x... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X turning final runway x... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X short final touch and go runway x... ABC"

When I was a Flight Instructor in EVB there was this dork who would always wear a safary hat and was working on his CFI.

Dork: "traffic, cessna 123 left downwind rwy 6.
Me: "traffic, cessna 456 taking rwy 6 for departure.
Dork: Ah you should be ok we are only midfield downwind right now and have you in sight, so go ahead and take off blah blah blah

I wanted to beat the crap out of that guy, the blah blah part was me stepping on his radio call, only did it a couple times though...

 

[inline]

Multithousand hour pilots who NEVER advise ATC of having the atis on initial call ups and always have to respond to atc that they do indeed have the atis. And they keep doing it.

 

[Pedro]

I hate that too, but I'm forced to do it in some aircraft that have strobes and beacon on one switch.

§ 91.209 Aircraft lights.

No person may:
(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the anticollision lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off.

I'd go by that, just leave your position lights on all the tiem you are taxiing. Sometimes the strobes may be just annoying on the ground, but other times it may compromise safety.

 

[Sgt. Hartman]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...


Pilots that don't know how to properly report turbulence. eg. Moderate to severe light chop. WTF????????????????:uzi:

Here let me help:


Light Turbulence that momentarily causes
slight, erratic changes in altitude and/or
attitude (pitch, roll, yaw). Report as
Light Turbulence

Turbulence that causes slight, rapid and
somewhat rhythmic bumpiness without
appreciable changes in altitude or
attitude. Report as Light Chop.

Turbulence but of greater intensity.
Changes in altitude and/or attitude occur
but the aircraft remains in positive
control at all times. It usually causes
variations in indicated airspeed. Report
as Moderate Turbulence;

Turbulence that is similar to Light Chop
but of greater intensity. It causes rapid
bumps or jolts without appreciable
changes in aircraft altitude or attitude.
Report as Moderate Chop.

Severe Turbulence that causes large, abrupt
changes in altitude and/or attitude. It
usually causes large variations in
indicated airspeed. Aircraft may be
momentarily out of control. Report as
Severe Turbulence.

Extreme Turbulence in which the aircraft is
violently tossed about and is practically
impossible to control. It may cause
structural damage. Report as Extreme
Turbulence.

 

[ToiletDuck]

People who don't pause when they switch over and they just step all over you.

When atc says "Stand by" and people resond "standing by"

 

[ToiletDuck]

people who say their callsigns without using the phonetic letters. Example: 123BM is "one two three bravo mike" not "bee em". That always bugged me.

Actually by standards it's one, two, tree, four, fife

 

[logolight]

Captains who call for the acceptance check list.

 

[jafo20]

"When I was a Flight Instructor in EVB there was this dork who would always wear a safary hat and was working on his CFI.

Dork: "traffic, cessna 123 left downwind rwy 6.
Me: "traffic, cessna 456 taking rwy 6 for departure.
Dork: Ah you should be ok we are only midfield downwind right now and have you in sight, so go ahead and take off blah blah blah

I wanted to beat the crap out of that guy, the blah blah part was me stepping on his radio call, only did it a couple times though..."

People who don't shut up at uncontrolled strips cause frustration, but it sounds like the guy was just trying to play nice with you. Cut the guy some slack.

I remember hearing a person call "Citation123AB is XX out for rwy X. Any traffic advise."

An aviation safety councilor would always correct the guy by saying "You're not supposed to say 'Any traffic advise'!". Meanwhile, you're waiting to call unicom for a fuel order.

Also, radio useage is non-regulated. If the frequency isn't congested, there's nothing wrong with ATC talking about sports scores or pilots saying "on the meter" or whatever. If the frequency is congested, don't gab.

 

[semperfido]

Multithousand hour pilots who NEVER advise ATC of having the atis on initial call ups and always have to respond to atc that they do indeed have the atis. And they keep doing it.

sometimes---guilty as charged

 

[JimG]

Also, radio useage is non-regulated. If the frequency isn't congested, there's nothing wrong with ATC talking about sports scores or pilots saying "on the meter" or whatever. If the frequency is congested, don't gab.

Like around late Saturday afternoon/early evening (6pm'ish) I've found in western CO and throughout most of UT.

I used to regularly fly across the greater Phoenix area (airport hopping) in the middle of the night and have had numerous chats with ATC while doing it.

We were both keeping the other one from falling asleep.

 

[Pedro]

People who don't shut up at uncontrolled strips cause frustration, but it sounds like the guy was just trying to play nice with you. Cut the guy some slack.

No slack for this guy, he wouldn't stop, he was playing controller. I saw this guy a lot at the school and he was (Is) a real dork...

 

[Avenger29]

Oh yeah, if you are going to correct somebody on radio/flight procedures (and it is not an immediate safety issue) save it for on the ground.

I don't have so much a problem with small radio lapses (such as 'with you') because you can get busy up there sometimes and don't always have time to respond to the radio in the correct manner...and it is just not worth getting worked up over.

Its definitley the instructor's fault sometimes...but it is also the students responsibility to make sure to use the correct procedures (its in the FAR-AIM, is it not?)

If you have problems with radio procedures, get a tape recorder and a scanner and record your self and play it back, and listen to other pilots on the scanner to see what the do/do not do correctly. It may seem stupid, but it can really help improve your radio ettiquite.

 

[Tailwheelman]

Pilots who insisted on discussing their political, religious and moral beliefs in the cockpit. (I'll get more out of reading the instructions on the vomit bag)

Approach, Departure, and tower controllers in Phoenix, AZ

Anyone who is under the impression that they are so special they demand that all "all other traffic please advise"

Mental Giants who start their radio calls with "UUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" (think it through then press the button)

Guys at uncontrolled fields that listen to 3 or 4 airplanes make radio calls in the pattern such as "so and so, downwind for runway 9" wait for a gap on CTAF then use it to call unicom and ask "which runway is the active today"

The AMF pilot in the Lance at PHX that in the middle of rush hour ate up 7000 feet of runway getting his Lance down and stopped, forcing me to have to go around and spend another 30 minutes circling outside class B waiting to getting sequenced in again. (Thank you sir....you are an inspiration to us all)

Guys who after being handed off to another controller end their reply to the previous controller with "SSSSSEEEEEEEE YYYAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!. (Your are not a VJ for MTV just say thank you and carry on with your day)

The CAP pilot I saw taxiing out in an old Mooney with a current issue military flight helmet on and the damn visor down. (anyone who feels this is necessary equipment to fly a 40 year old Mooney needs to be locked in a portable toilet and set on fire!)

 

[av8orboy]

Radio hogs doing touch and goes at uncontrolled airports.

"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X departing runway x.... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X upwind runway x...ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X left crosswind runway x....ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X left downwind runway x... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X left base runway x... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X turning final runway x... ABC"
"ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X short final touch and go runway x... ABC"

Or ABC traffic, Cessna 1234X turning left final runway x... ABC

 

[Steve]

Pilots who insisted on discussing their political, religious and moral beliefs in the cockpit. (I'll get more out of reading the instructions on the vomit bag)

Approach, Departure, and tower controllers in Phoenix, AZ

Anyone who is under the impression that they are so special they demand that all "all other traffic please advise"

Guys who after being handed off to another controller end their reply to the previous controller with "SSSSSEEEEEEEE YYYAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!. (Your are not a VJ for MTV just say thank you and carry on with your day)

The CAP pilot I saw taxiing out in an old Mooney with a current issue military flight helmet on and the dang visor down. (anyone who feels this is necessary equipment to fly a 40 year old Mooney needs to be locked in a portable toilet and set on fire!)

Who do you fly the Twin Beech for? I hope to get a chance to fly one some day.

 

[Tailwheelman]

Who do you fly the Twin Beech for? I hope to get a chance to fly one some day.

Phoenix Air Transport...we got 4 of em

 

[100LL... Again!]

Corporate tools who think they sound cool by refusing to use the phonetic alphabet for their tail number.

 

[JimG]

Guys who after being handed off to another controller end their reply to the previous controller with "SSSSSEEEEEEEE YYYAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!. (Your are not a VJ for MTV just say thank you and carry on with your day)

It's not just pilots who do this.

I've heard controllers carry on with this crap and wondered WTH?

 

[ifleyelearz]

Any traffic please advise...

I just heard this peeve yesterday, again. Some guy picking up his clearance with ground control...."Ground, Citation xxx clearance on request to KXXX.." That's a phrase that the controller uses when he/she doesn't have your clearance right away, not for the pilot requesting the clearance. I've noticed that this seems to be popular with ex-mil guys. Is that how they pick up the clearance in the military?

Yes, you are correct. Standard phraseology goes something like this...
"Clearance, Bulldog 44 IFR to BFE, clearance on request, ready to copy"
Some guys, such as myself, who are military but fly civilian airplanes to civilian fields don't neccessarily say that when they're asking for you IFR.