Aeronautical Pet Peeves

[Spooky 1]

Be my guest...I'd savor the chance.

 

[Spooky 1]

Be my guest...I'd savor the chance.

In light of bigger issues an in deference and respect to the loss of the webmaster, I'm done with this line of discussion.

AvBug,

Your tone and demeanor in this statement is just a little troubling. Using violence to stem violence regarding this issue is probably a little over the top. Would never suggest that beating or doing physical harm to children is acceptable under any circumstances but having read some book that suggest spanking is inappropriate at any time, does not make one a child spanking authority. Doctor Spock you are not. Now maybe you have had additional training in this area so forgive me as I’am assuming to much.

The suggestion that you might cause such a person to bleed from any number of orifices is bloviating at its best. I have noticed that some of our members are more than willing to threaten others as long as they can hide behind some screen name. I have occasion to spend a lot of time around people that are dedicated to executive protection. They are with very few exceptions not big hulking brutes that you could spot a mile away. Instead they typically are guys and some gals that are under 6’ and very mild mannered in their demeanor. Most if not all are former Navy Seals, Army Rangers. I think you get the idea. For your sake, should you find yourself with an uncontrollable urge to slap one of them for spanking their children in a public place, please don’t follow your instincts as it will not benefit you or your cause. BTW, none of these folks strike me as the type who goes home and beats their wives, girlfriends, or children.

The point of this is not to intimidate you or others, it’s just than when one makes these over the top statements, one should think twice. I am afraid that your statements to the contrary would lead to further bleeding and unnecessary pain on your part. i.e., you need to cool the rhetoric in this case at least. These comments are given in good natured spirit and only for everyone’s benefit that may think otherwise.

 

[JediNein]

Um, just to clarify things, are you talking about flight instructing or something else? imp:

Would it matter?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Would it matter?

Hmmm :laugh: I'll stop before I get into trouble.

 

[Tram]

Be my guest...I'd savor the chance..

Were you ever a Marine?

 

[Tailwheelman]

Pilots on Flight Info who list every single airplane they have ever flown.

Certainly didn't mean to get your panties in a wad Skippy.

Everyones got one or two listed...I elected to be different. Its not like it took any special research on my part...I remember all of them quite well. The list is very broad...someone else here may have flown one of them too and have something funny to say about it. Or maybe even ask me something about one of them.

In my mind when being asked what aircraft have you flown and you list two Lears......well thats about as dry as a popcorn fart.

 

[NewBlue]

How about the "guard" Nazis. Someone transmits on 121.5 and instantly the self-proclaimed guardian of the frequency chimes in with "Hey! You're transmitting on guard."

 

[semperfido]

love those guys- out in the middle of nowhere too

 

[Goose Egg]

Not really flying related, but pertaining to this website; people who don't read the profile of the person they are responding to.

-Goose

 

[FN FAL]

How about the "guard" Nazis. Someone transmits on 121.5 and instantly the self-proclaimed guardian of the frequency chimes in with "Hey! You're transmitting on guard."

Especially when the feds asked you to do so..that's happened to me.

Feds asked me to do a test on 121.5 and some dumbas had to interupt.

 

[wolf]

Huh?

How come all the guys that advocate spanking of children are all single SOB's?? And what'll you bet that none of them have been involved with abused children either.

If you were privy to children being abused, and personally involved with such children, I bet you would have none of it.

What abusers just stop doing it, never to repeat the abuse again? Very few, if any. What does it take to stop an abuser? Words? Stares? Frowns?

 

[minitour]

How come all the guys that advocate spanking of children are all single SOB's??

As a matter of fact I am happily married and think spanking children when done in the correct way can be an effective way of disciplining your children. You have to be more careful using words like "all".

-mini

*edit*
...and I'm not talking about abusing children. I'm talking about teaching your children not to be civilly disobedient. There's a difference. Person abuse is definitely not tolerable...especially when it involves children who don't know any better.

 

[DJS]

Affecting Effective Spanking?

As a matter of fact I am happily married and think spanking children when done in the correct way can be an affective way of disciplining your children.

So. Does affecting corporal punishment mean you spank with a lisp?

(sorry, you can't claim the Grammar Police as an Aeronautical Pet Peeve )

Anyways, ob aviation peeve: 172SP seats that don't fold forward more than a couple inches. It takes some effort and the removal of both wheels to fit my bike in the back seat of a 172.

 

[minitour]

(sorry, you can't claim the Grammar Police as an Aeronautical Pet Peeve )

DOH!

Thanks...good catch!

-mini

 

[wolf]

But we are speaking about abuse...

The funny thing is abusers sound just like you, and never admit to being abusers. Many children suffer in silence, and there is NO ONE to help.

Go ahead and scold me for using "all" instead of "most all", it is a small thing. But what I really meant to say is I think that none, or rather to satisfy the content police, most of you pro-spankers, don't even have children. I hope you would fight just as hard for children whose parents don't seem to know the difference between lovingly teaching, training and disciplining, and physical abuse. There are many kids who never get disciplined the right way-on both sides of the spectrum.

What would you do if you witnessed a child being abused by his parents? What would be your actions?

 

[Flechas]

One of my biggest pet peeves is captains that ask you ¨Are we there yet¨.
Especially when they do it every leg. Believe me guys, it is not funny, quite annoying actually.

 

[minitour]

What would you do if you witnessed a child being abused by his parents?

Abuse is wrong. But a firm swat to the behind when a child is totally out of line never hurt anyone.

-mini

 

[GravityHater]

How come all the guys that advocate spanking of children are all single SOB's??

Because when we go out in public - like to a restaurant, to enjoy a quiet meal, there is always some &$^#% out of control whirlwind of a devil child at the table next to us throwing food, screaming, cursing their parents, pulling pictures off the wall, running up and down the aisle, plowing down the waitress and we think "hey maybe those parents should learn how to.....'parent'!"

 

[learflyer]

How's about barreling towards a level 5 and about two mins from entering it and you can't get a word in to ask center for a deviation! and when u finally do, they say standby. Time to turn!

 

[dash8driver]

How come all the guys that advocate spanking of children are all single SOB's?? And what'll you bet that none of them have been involved with abused children either.

i noticed the opposite. its the single people that dont know what its like to raise a child 24/7. they are the ones in the supermarket trying to tell some parent how to discipline their child when they have never been in their shoes. all they have to worry about is a cat at home.

 

[JimG]

i noticed the opposite. its the single people that dont know what its like to raise a child 24/7. they are the ones in the supermarket trying to tell some parent how to discipline their child when they have never been in their shoes. all they have to worry about is a cat at home.

I notice the same thing all the time. It's not just guys on this board.

BTW folks....we're talking about aeronautical pet peeves....let's get back to airplanes.

 

[TonyC]

How come all the guys that advocate spanking of children are all single SOB's??

I'm not single, and my mother is a very respectable woman. My parents had been married long before I was conceived, and they remained married until my father died.

I advocate spanking as a form of discipline because it is a Biblical concept, because it was used by my parents, and because I have personally found it to very effective when used at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. In fact, I would consider it abuse were I to arbitrarily remove that tool from my parenting repertoire.

Now, I must say that I empathize with the sentiment expressed that single adults or childless couples can sometimes come off sounding like the consummate experts at parenting. I confess that I have never known as much about parenting as I did before I had children. However, that phenomenon does not negate the fact that spanking is an important part of a complete approach to disciplining and childrearing. Even idiots get it right from time to time.

The line between discipline and abuse can be clear at some times, and very blurry at others. It's very difficult to instantly assess the motivation of a parent, but the motivation is the key difference. If the punishment is meted out because a loving parent is attempting to teach a child, it is appropriate. If the love is absent, or the motivation is to hurt or punish for punishment's sake, then it is abusive. Notice, the number of swats, the force with which they are delivered, the instrument of contact, many of those things that can be easily quantified and codified are NOT in and of themselves a reliable barometer of discipline vs. abuse. A single swift pop to a padded bottom delivered out of anger can be far more damaging than a dozen licks from a belt. Furthermore, it doesn't have to be physical to be abuse.


One must use caution, then, when witnessing the distribution of corporal punishment by parents they do not know. As I walk around the corner into a grocery store aisle and witness a mother slap a child's outstretched hand, I have no idea what events have preceded that slap, and little idea of the mother's motivation. There might have been a series of inappropriate behaviors followed by a warning that now required the delivery of a consequence promised. In that case, it would have been abuse for the mother to have withheld the promised consequence just because she saw me round the corner. On the other hand, she may be having a bad day, and struck out because she was irritated and annoyed, and the child was reaching for an attractive package on the shelf. Although the impact of the mother's palm on the child's hand would be identical to the former example, the latter would be considered abuse. How does an observer instantly judge the difference?


I have never hesitated to take my children dining with me, and I can't count the number of times my wife and I have been approached by complete strangers to compliment us on how well-behaved our children are. I don't think this would have been possible were it not for the application of a full range of discipline tools. All of our children know we mean business when we set a limit, and we are all much happier in that knowledge. That spanking didn't make them feel good at the time, but the good feelings they have about themselves now are well worth those little stings aling the way.


Sorry about the hijack, but it seems appropriate in a thread about pet peeves to dwell for a moment on a subject (and misconceptions) that hit a nerve. We now return you to Aeronautical Pet Peeves.




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[semperfido]

I have never hesitated to take my children dining with me, and I can't count the number of times my wife and I have been approached by complete strangers to compliment us on how well-behaved our children are. I don't think this would have been possible were it not for the application of a full range of discipline tools.



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yeah--like bribery

 

[dash8driver]

Someone should have smacked the $hit out of this tool a long time ago.

that might be what happened to him. here is a new place that saying applies. "one is too many, 1000 is never enough"..



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[dash8driver]

AvBug,

Your tone and demeanor in this statement is just a little troubling.

exactly.. talk about anger management issues. its highly doubtful that he is, was or ever would be a parent. if for some reason he ever were to become a parent, i doubt it would be for very long.

 

[dash8driver]

watch out tony, avbug is gonna beat you up!





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[Stifler's Mom]

I advocate spanking as a form of discipline because it is a Biblical concept,

Biblical concept???? Oh no, now we'll have to sort through 5 more pages of religious fighting before we switch gears again to Politics where somebody will ultimately blame Bush for "Spanking" as a form of discipline.

By the way, anybody know of any good BBQ? :beer:

 

[Tram]

MDQ - Meridianville, Al has some fine BBQ..

 

[Vector4fun]

Bravo Tony C., well said.

When and where I grew up, (1960s) it wasn't just parents who administered a little corporal punishment from time to time, it was my coachs, teachers, adult relatives, and perhaps even a neighbor if we were really out of line. I've been spanked with an open hand, slapped for a smart remark, paddled with a custom creation from the school wood shop, swatted with a fly-swatter and even whipped once or twice with a belt. And I certainly suffered less corporal punishment than many of my childhood friends.

I was never, not once, abused.

About 98% of those licks were well and truly earned. And to this day, they never stung near as much as some a$$-chewings I've suffered...

 

[gkrangers]

I skipped about 8 pages.

Ok, whats wrong with flying the G/S at 100kts in a 172? I guess approach would prefer 80 knots with a RJ or 737 crossing the outer marker behind me...?

I used to say with you, but don't anymore, thanks flightinfo.

Saying "cya" (not SEEEEEE YYYYYYAAAAAAAAA LAAAAAAATTTTTEEEEEEEEERRRRR), and wasting an extra .5 seconds of airtime, when its not busy, I am guilty of. Sorry if I have offended any of you. I'll go back to using good day/night, which is longer.

I'm also guilty of asking for a Yankees/Redsox score now and then...