Aeronautical Pet Peeves

[FlyinTim]

OMG...my bored A$$ just read this...haha..i have been here for 20 min.. this is awsome

 

[FL420]

Last year on two consecutive days at my home field:

ATC1: Cessna 1234 stand by
Me: <silence>
ATC1: Cessna 1234, I said standby!
Me: Cessna 1234 standing by

Next day:

ATC2: Cessna 1234 stand by
Me: Cessna 1234 standing by (well maybe our tower has its own rules now)
ATC2: When I tell you to stand by it means we're busy and don't want you to block the frequency by repeating it back to us
Me: er, sorry.

Fortunately one was male and one was female so after that I tried to guess when the person wanted a readback. But then I decided to stick with the silence (or double-click on the mic) and just get told off when I was 'wrong'.

I also keep quiet when told to stand by. If ATC ever chews me out for not responding, I hope I'm quick-witted enough to reply that "I was waiting for you to say over."

My own pet peeve: Pilots or mechanics who feel the need to touch the screens with their greasy fingers. They aren't touch screens, for crying out loud!

 

[skydash]

Calling for your ATC clearance,and telling the individual you have the current ATIS....then when they read you the clearance, they inevitably say"confirm you have ATIS___".

 

[aerodromebum]

I couldn't agree with you more on that one. Asians tend to be very objective rather than subjective. They will do things a certain way and a certain way only. It's very hard for them to by subjective based on the situation. It's not only in flight, they do that in their daily lives as well. For example, a certain brand is the "high class" brand. Then everyone will want that brand and that brand only. Right now the latest craze in China are the Omega watches. Although there are lots of better brands. They dont care, they will starve themselves to save up enough money to buy a Omega watch. Dont try to tell me it's not true and they aren't all like that. Most if not almost all of them are sort of like that in one way or another. It's not entirely their fault, in a way it's how they were brought up. I've run across so much of that stuff lately that i could write a whole book on the wierdness of the asian culture and how far they will go to "save face". Some of the things are really drastic.

One of my pet peeves: Stereotypical morons like yourself and 414Flyer... Real class act, you two...

 

[aerodromebum]

Another one of my pet peeves: People who takes crap in the potty seat of a cabin-class twin. (Keep in mind that these are NOT enclosed lavs.)

 

[Lead Sled]

Another one of my pet peeves: People who takes crap in the potty seat of a cabin-class twin. (Keep in mind that these are NOT enclosed lavs.)

That's nowhere near as bad as the guy who "tried" to take a crap in the back row of a Cessna 210 - using Sick Sacks. He missed. uke:

'Sled

 

[CA1900]

Calling for your ATC clearance,and telling the individual you have the current ATIS....then when they read you the clearance, they inevitably say"confirm you have ATIS___".

I'm sure ATC feels the same way about dummies like me, who no more than 90 seconds after they cleared me to land, ask, "Confirm XXXX is clear to land?" Stupid pilots.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Cant stand cocky, arrogant and ego filled pilots. We all know the type..... The kinda guy who has flown EVERYTHING. More than anything, pilots who have gone to management and in short order, have clearly forgotten where they have come from. They think that they are the best and treat their own like crap. Great examples would be Rocky, Humphrey Bogart and FRACTRASH (they can be visited on the fractional part of this). These types are the absolute worst.

 

[414Flyer]

One of my pet peeves: Stereotypical morons like yourself and 414Flyer... Real class act, you two...

Well unlike most, I do have experience flying over there and I said the reasons why too for my beliefs. Its not racism, it due to the lack of freedom in aviation there, and aspects of their culture too.

They have few opportunities to gain real world experiences in aviation, in the way we fortunately can. A 300 hour American pilot has probably been to lots of different airports, been flying in different kinds of weather, and had more opportunities for aeronautical decision making than a similar time pilot in many countries, whose hours might consist of the same airport or couple of airports, doing the same approaches over and over, never deviating from the mandatory prefiled flight plan.

I have flown with low time Indian pilots, and if their experience was solely inside India, they had not developed the ability to think in the cockpit, or act decisively. Its not their fault, their system just does not allow much opportunity for it, and culturally, the pilot/captain is not always really in charge. Indian pilots, who maybe had low time but had flown a fair amount in the US, were fine to be in the cockpit with.

Before calling people a moron, maybe look at how things are different around the world and read or comment about what we actually had to say. I didnt see you rebut anything I had to say in the other message, all you had to offer was calling people morons. Quite a "class act" there huh?

 

[aerodromebum]

Well unlike most, I do have experience flying over there and I said the reasons why too for my beliefs. Its not racism, it due to the lack of freedom in aviation there, and aspects of their culture too.

They have few opportunities to gain real world experiences in aviation, in the way we fortunately can. A 300 hour American pilot has probably been to lots of different airports, been flying in different kinds of weather, and had more opportunities for aeronautical decision making than a similar time pilot in many countries, whose hours might consist of the same airport or couple of airports, doing the same approaches over and over, never deviating from the mandatory prefiled flight plan.

I have flown with low time Indian pilots, and if their experience was solely inside India, they had not developed the ability to think in the cockpit, or act decisively. Its not their fault, their system just does not allow much opportunity for it, and culturally, the pilot/captain is not always really in charge. Indian pilots, who maybe had low time but had flown a fair amount in the US, were fine to be in the cockpit with.

Before calling people a moron, maybe look at how things are different around the world and read or comment about what we actually had to say. I didnt see you rebut anything I had to say in the other message, all you had to offer was calling people morons. Quite a "class act" there huh?

Since you wanted to know where I was coming from, here are my rebuttals/facts.

1) I am an Asian.
2) I can be subjective as well as objective.
3) I do question authority when situation warrents. I do not obey someone blindly.
4) I do know more than one way to do things. You have to be flexible and adaptive in this profession.
5) I call my own shots to get things done. (Within my authority, which is total, when it comes to A/C which I'm PIC of.)
6) I do not own an Omega watch nor do I want one.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Since you wanted to know where I was coming from, here are my rebuttals/facts.

1) I am an Asian.
2) I can be subjective as well as objective.
3) I do question authority when situation warrents. I do not obey someone blindly.
4) I do know more than one way to do things. You have to be flexible and adaptive in this profession.
5) I call my own shots to get things done. (Within my authority, which is total, when it comes to A/C which I'm PIC of.)
6) I do not own an Omega watch nor do I want one.

Judging by your use of the language I will assume you are an American. You may be an Asian American but your culture is American. Have you been anywhere is Asia? Have you lived there? I have and have to agreee with some of the observations. So chill out dude, it's just a message board.

 

[aerodromebum]

Judging by your use of the language I will assume you are an American. You may be an Asian American but your culture is American. Have you been anywhere is Asia? Have you lived there? I have and have to agreee with some of the observations. So chill out dude, it's just a message board.

Yes, I have lived in Asia (South Korea, to be exact). And I know it's just a message board, but I do dislike stereotyping (probably because I deal with it on a regular basis). If 414Flyer and Alin10123 began their sentences with "Some Asians are..." or "The Asians I've met..." Then I wouldn't have any issues with it. But when they imply that ALL Asians (or any other group) are a certain way, then I take exception to it. Because it just isn't true. Do some Asians fit their profile? Of course. But that's the key, SOME, not ALL. That goes true for Asians both here and abroad. Stereotyping is never accurate. Not all Southerners are rednecks. Not all Blacks are into basketball. Not all Embry-Riddle (or any other big-name school) grads are sky gods. And not all Irish have short temper.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Were you an adult when you lived in S. Korea? I find your attitude stupid and very American PC. Get off of it or you will spend the rest of your life being miserable. I spent 3 years living in Japan and the statement that Japanes/Asians tend to view things objectively without the ability to be subjective to be very true. You are trying to make 414 and Alin into racists and they are not. God I'd hate to spend 6 hours in a cockpit or a 3 day trip with a pompous jerk like you.

 

[El Cid '95]

Yes, I have lived in Asia (South Korea, to be exact). And I know it's just a message board, but I do dislike stereotyping (probably because I deal with it on a regular basis). If 414Flyer and Alin10123 began their sentences with "Some Asians are..." or "The Asians I've met..." Then I wouldn't have any issues with it. But when they imply that ALL Asians (or any other group) are a certain way, then I take exception to it. Because it just isn't true. Do some Asians fit their profile? Of course. But that's the key, SOME, not ALL. That goes true for Asians both here and abroad. Stereotyping is never accurate. Not all Southerners are rednecks. Not all blacks are into basketball. Not all Embry-Riddle (or any other big-name school) grads are sky gods, and not all Irish have short temper.

Or that Asian chicks are so hahney and love you rong time.
Or that Asian guys have small sausages.
Or that SouthWest Asian/Muslims smell bad....

 

[aerodromebum]

Were you an adult when you lived in S. Korea? I find your attitude stupid and very American PC. Get off of it or you will spend the rest of your life being miserable. I spent 3 years living in Japan and the statement that Japanes/Asians tend to view things objectively without the ability to be subjective to be very true. You are trying to make 414 and Alin into racists and they are not. God I'd hate to spend 6 hours in a cockpit or a 3 day trip with a pompous jerk like you.

Pompous jerk? You're the one trying to turn civilized conversation into name-calling and you're calling me a pompous jerk? I've got a news for you buddy. You have no idea what stereotyping is until you're at the receiving end of it. I'd be a rich man if I took a dime for every time someone made assumptions about me based purely on my ethnicity. Have you met EVERY SINGLE Japanese before coming to your conclusion? Or have you met, say, 500 of them and decided to plaster that image upon entire Japanese community? Why do you find my attitude stupid? Perhaps you didn't expect some good little submissive nerdy Asian boy to stand up for himself? Are you taken aback because I'm not your typical Asian? If I walked into the cockpit as part of your crewmember, would you take one look at me and decide how I'm going to behave and perform even before we spoke a single word to each other? Just exactly who's pompous jerk here?

 

[FN FAL]

That's nowhere near as bad as the guy who "tried" to take a crap in the back row of a Cessna 210 - using Sick Sacks. He missed. uke:

'Sled

Here's the one that got my goat, Me and the wife fly two other couples to MSP for a little R and R and some Mall of a America time. Never mind that it was low ceilings and snowing out and that it took a lot of work and skill and to get there.

We're getting all the gear out of the plane and somebody hands out the 12 pack, I reach in and all the bottles are full of warm liquid. Evidently, they were drinking before we boarded, so they couldn't wait for a lav on the ground.

It didn't bother me during the flight when I looked back and saw the one guy kneeling in his seat hanging on the backrest peeing into the bottle, but you'd think one of the bastages would have saved me a beer.

 

[Rook]

for not saving you any beer those guys are farrging bastages...iceholes!

 

[Bjammin]

Aerodromebum, I'm totally on your side.
As one that works for a carrier based out of Hong Kong, I think I probably know a little about this. All Asians are NOT the same, just like all Americans aren't. I have flown with many American millitary guys that were total bufoons, and some asians that could fly a single seat F-18 like they were born with a afterburner butthole.

I will NEVER make a judgment based on someone's race again. I'm not perfect and have done so in the past, but some of the best flights and overnights have been with asian pilots and some of the most judgemental, arrogant jerks have been Americans, Brits, and Aussies

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

You are not Asian. You are an American. You may be descended from Asia but you are no longer Asian. Jay Leno does not call himself Italian, and Pres Bush is not a European. Most Japanese do display the characteristics mentioned before. It's a fact and a common characteristic of their culture. That does not mean everyone in Japan is that way. Remove the chip from your shoulder. If you showed up on my crew I would treat you like who you are--an American raised person of Korean descent. I would treat a Korean pilot differently than I would treat you given your varying backgrounds and culture.

 

[leardawg]

You are not Asian. You are an American. You may be descended from Asia but you are no longer Asian. Jay Leno does not call himself Italian, and Pres Bush is not a European. Most Japanese do display the characteristics mentioned before. It's a fact and a common characteristic of their culture. That does not mean everyone in Japan is that way. Remove the chip from your shoulder. If you showed up on my crew I would treat you like who you are--an American raised person of Korean descent. I would treat a Korean pilot differently than I would treat you given your varying backgrounds and culture.

Just ask any of them millions of Chinamen in Tokyo! :erm:

 

[414Flyer]

Aerodrome, you are so determined to make my comments into something racial or ethnic, that you are totally missing every point I was making. If you were actually reading what I was writing, instead of just reacting emotionally,maybe you could have better understood my points, or just reacted maturely and told me how you disagreed.

I did not say "Asians" as in all Asians. I was most specifically referring to "low time" pilots, and I took great pains to specify that.

Am I wrong that aviation is most places, especially countries in Asia, is much more restrictive and with much less general aviation than the US?

That was most of my point right there. There is no way I could have meant all Asians ethnically, when I was pointing out that even low time pilots from India were fine to fly with, if they had a chance to fly in the US and be in a different kind of system than what they have.

Have you done much general aviation flying in that part of the world? I have, and its a MUCH different process than in the US, and much much more controlled. If you disagree with that, then tell me.

One of my points was that low time pilots in countries in that part of the world, have less decision making abilities compared to a similar time American pilot, because an American pilot getting their hours has alot more chances to use and develop aeronautical decisionmaking. When I did some flying in that part of the world, you can forget about such things we take for granted, like proverbial 100 dollar hamburgers, or packing your friends into a Cessna or Piper and flying somewhere for the hell of it. Those flights outside of highly structured lesson plans are often where you do a lot of your learning at that point in aviation.

How many different airports has a 300 hour American pilot been to, compared to a 300 hour Indian pilot. Probably more, and again IT IS NOT A RACIAL THING, SO DO NOT MAKE IT INTO IT. Its a factor of opportunities available to us here, and the lack of there. A low time pilot getting their ratings probably has not had many flights that were not part of highly structured lesson plans.

If you disagree, go about it maturely, and leave the name calling behind.

 

[IP076]

People who say "Uncontrolled Airport" There is no such thing...Airports are "Towered" or "Non-Towered" not "Controlled" or "Uncontrolled"

I'll second the PHX controllers.....seem to always be way to busy to handle a seminole...

 

[aerodromebum]

Aerodrome, you are so determined to make my comments into something racial or ethnic, that you are totally missing every point I was making. If you were actually reading what I was writing, instead of just reacting emotionally,maybe you could have better understood my points, or just reacted maturely and told me how you disagreed.

I did not say "Asians" as in all Asians. I was most specifically referring to "low time" pilots, and I took great pains to specify that.

Am I wrong that aviation is most places, especially countries in Asia, is much more restrictive and with much less general aviation than the US?

That was most of my point right there. There is no way I could have meant all Asians ethnically, when I was pointing out that even low time pilots from India were fine to fly with, if they had a chance to fly in the US and be in a different kind of system than what they have.

Have you done much general aviation flying in that part of the world? I have, and its a MUCH different process than in the US, and much much more controlled. If you disagree with that, then tell me.

One of my points was that low time pilots in countries in that part of the world, have less decision making abilities compared to a similar time American pilot, because an American pilot getting their hours has alot more chances to use and develop aeronautical decisionmaking. When I did some flying in that part of the world, you can forget about such things we take for granted, like proverbial 100 dollar hamburgers, or packing your friends into a Cessna or Piper and flying somewhere for the hell of it. Those flights outside of highly structured lesson plans are often where you do a lot of your learning at that point in aviation.

How many different airports has a 300 hour American pilot been to, compared to a 300 hour Indian pilot. Probably more, and again IT IS NOT A RACIAL THING, SO DO NOT MAKE IT INTO IT. Its a factor of opportunities available to us here, and the lack of there. A low time pilot getting their ratings probably has not had many flights that were not part of highly structured lesson plans.

If you disagree, go about it maturely, and leave the name calling behind.

I've never said you are a racist. I said you were stereotyping (there's a difference). Having said that, I'm glad you've clearified your position. I just wish you had done so on your initial post on this topic. Go back to that post and read it again. You can't tell me that one's impression would not be that of referring to Asians in general based on how you worded it. But, like I said, I'm glad we now have better understanding of each other.

I have experienced GA in other countries. And what you've said is mostly correct. Which is why there are so many foreign pilots training here in the US. However, I do disagree on your "low time pilots" theory to some degree. While your general idea is correct, it is not limited to Asian culture. I saw that many years ago when I was instructing full time at a large flight school where many foreign students enrolled. And I'm talking about those who just came over, not those who lived here. So I don't buy into the argument that it's the Asian culture thing. Most newbies, regardless of their background or profession, don't tend to come into new enviroment with six guns blazing.

I hope this has been a positive discussion. You've made your point and I've made mine. Now what say we shake hands and move on to something different?

 

[flyinghunter]

ok, two more. First, the guy who calls up tower and says ready to depart when you're on short final which causes tower to tell him to hold short, so that he can read it back. If nobody is behind you just wait, you'll get your position and hold. Second, when you have a really busy CTAF on a Saturday and you're student is shooting approaches and you're on the radio sequencing yourself into the airport and the lady sitting behind the desk welcomes you to the airport, gives you winds, altimeter and active runway, which has already been covered. I know it's meant with good intentions, but seriously shut up, it's dangerous.

Oh, and the whole spanking things, I'll leave my opinions out, but just so everyone knows, the squirt bottle thing works really well on dogs :laugh:

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Calling for your ATC clearance,and telling the individual you have the current ATIS....then when they read you the clearance, they inevitably say"confirm you have ATIS___".

The pilot that after I issue an instruction says "say again"

 

[SuperFLUF]

Pilots (& people in general) who think that their list of pet peeves is the correct one and everyone else is doing it wrong.

 

[DetoXJ]

for not saving you any beer those guys are farrging bastages...iceholes!

You should have put his bells in a sling. FARRGIN WAR !!!

 

[Lead Sled]

Pilots (& people in general) who think that they're list of pet peeves is the correct one and everyone else is doing it wrong.

You got that one right. And another thing, those guys who think they know everything really annoy those of us who do.

'Sled

 

[414Flyer]

The pilot that after I issue an instruction says "say again"

Its okay, he was probably on the landline.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Its okay, he was probably on the landline.

I'm always on the landline


another one:

Pilots who call ground or tower and don't get a response within 2 seconds......sometimes we are off line, i heard you, i just can't talk to you right now, relax, its not as if your going to hit a mountain or an airplane if I don't respond within 2 seconds. Chill, relax, ill answer you when im done.


Pilots who have to taxi across an active runway, and are holding short, feel they need to transmit again and tell me they are holding short when if they look out the damn window they would see a plane crossing the threshold. DUh!!!! I know where you are, its my job, im not going to forget about getting you acrossed.....but you do that crap, im not going to bend over backwards to get local to build a hole......